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Israel/Hamas conflict
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Jigglypuff
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Hamas kills aid workers to manufacture Gaza food crisis, Fatah charges
A Fatah TV anchor reported that Hamas had attacked aid workers, stolen food and water and caused food prices to skyrocket in the Gaza Strip.
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A Fatah TV anchor reported that Hamas had attacked aid workers, stolen food and water and caused food prices to skyrocket in the Gaza Strip.
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footage from an Al-Jazeera interview was played which showed a woman in the enclave complaining that “the aid isn’t reaching all the people” because the aid “is all to their [own] homes. Let Hamas catch me and shoot me and do what they want to me.”
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In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
Jigglypuff
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Elderly Palestinian Woman To Al-Jazeera Reporter Near A Khan Yunis Hospital: Hamas Takes All The Aid To Their Tunnels And Homes; They Can Shoot Me, I Am Not Afraid Of Them
An elderly Palestinian woman standing outside Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis told an Al-Jazeera Network (Qatar) reporter ...
Tiger
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Tam
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Time has changed. Some land is better than no land.
Hamas official says group would lay down its weapons if a two-state solution is implemented
Hamas official says group would lay down its weapons if a two-state solution is implemented
No mention of returning hostages or bringing justice to the rape jihadists that are still at large, and demand “if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.”
And they again deny that they targeted any civilians on October 7.
Delusional barbaric jihadists are impossible to reason with because of their deep unwavering moral deficiency. They are really the worst group of humans ever.
This keeps up and maybe they'll agree to a mohel to perform their circumcisions. So "From the river to the Sea, maybe not so much?" I suppose the people of Gaza are beginning to wonder what all the deaths and destruction that was incited starting on Oct 7th was really going to ever accomplish, since they literally could have had this decades ago.
As bad as Hamas is, they have a lot of competition for the worst group of humans in history. There have been some pretty despicable groups through history.
I don't think Hamas should be allowed to have any power in any future government, but if they are willing to lay down arms and accept a two state solution, I'd call that a good thing.
Going back to the pre-1967 borders is a bit ambiguous. The West Bank was under control of Jordan and Gaza was in control of Egypt. In the 1967 war Israel took control of the Golan Heights, the West Bank, Gaza, and Sinai peninsula. They gave the Sinai back to Egypt when they buried the hatchet in 1982.
Israel's borders explained in maps
Jigglypuff
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Even Iran kills their jihadist neighbors.
Lots of maps out there. I'd not take what the BBC says without a grain of salt.
There's no way in hell Israel is going to go from this conflict to two-states. Hamas absolutely convinced the Israeli public that doing so would only perpetuate the conflict. It's going to be years before Israel is going to give much of anything.
I agree.
It's also possible that the representative of Hamas was just saying that so Hamas looks like the reasonable party. They have become very good at PR.
Jigglypuff
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I hope it’s not a paywall because this is a very good essay on what’s wrong with our educated youth
www.telegraph.co.uk
We are the West’s last generation before the new Dark Age begins
There is no future for our civilisation if universities’ totalitarian indoctrination of the young continues
www.telegraph.co.uk
Tam
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I hope it’s not a paywall because this is a very good essay on what’s wrong with our educated youth
We are the West’s last generation before the new Dark Age begins
There is no future for our civilisation if universities’ totalitarian indoctrination of the young continues
The current protests in schools are about anti-war.
What the youngsters hate is not about hating Western civilization. They love Taylor Swift and football...
Don't confuse hating killings with loving Tik Tok!
Stop supplying 2000-pound bombs to drop in Gaza, a very small area that is just about the size of Detroit.
Mass killing of people is not cool! It has nothing to do with hating Western civilization.
The Daily Telegraph used to be a reputable conservative newspaper. Nowadays it's just a parody of its former self, read by hard right, highly unpleasant people, at least if you judge their readers by the kind of comments you can find in the comments section. As regards Israel, you might just as well read a Likud party paper. The official comments at the DT are basically exclusively written by more or less obvious shills for Israel.I hope it’s not a paywall because this is a very good essay on what’s wrong with our educated youth
We are the West’s last generation before the new Dark Age begins
There is no future for our civilisation if universities’ totalitarian indoctrination of the young continues
It’s not a news report it’s an opinion piece.... and obviously one that would struggle to get printed in a left leaning newspaper....
I hope it’s not a paywall because this is a very good essay on what’s wrong with our educated youth
We are the West’s last generation before the new Dark Age begins
There is no future for our civilisation if universities’ totalitarian indoctrination of the young continues
I won't post it here because it was also political, but I saw an interview with Frank Bruni the other day. He's currently teaching at Duke University. The host had recently taught a seminar at USC. Both reported that the bulk of students at both universities are just trying to get through school. The protestors are a minority of students mixed with some people who aren't even students.
Bruni also had some observations on what is driving a lot of this too. A lot of it is what the students are the attitudes the kids have when they arrive at university. To some extent administrations at the schools are being pressured and bowing to the demands of students, but he's found that when he challenges student's knee jerk reactions in class, the kids respond and actually unlearn their preconceived notions.
I'm not sure it it's true, but he did observe that most kids today don't belong to anything. In the past most kids belonged to various groups on campus and off campus and by having to work within a group, you learn that you can't always get your way and that you need to compromise. But if you have been coddled your entire life and never had to face situations where you had to compromise, you get a sense of self entitlement. The world should always bow to your wishes and compromise isn't in your vocabulary.
It's an interesting thought. I have seen with a fair share of Gen Z a tendency to coddle them and not let them face any adversity growing up. A study I saw several years ago found that kids who were teens then most often wanted to be famous than anything else. It's very much a "look at me" generation. On tests that score skills along with various feelings about themselves, Gen Z scored much higher than other generations on self esteem, but fairly low on skill for anything.
This, of course, is not true for all kids in Gen Z. I know a number of Gen Z who are not full of themselves. But this narcissism is more prevalent in this generation than the generations before it.
This is also a generation that was specifically targeted by pro-Palestinian groups who have been flooding TikTok with videos and manipulating the algorithms to get them seen by as many kids as possible. As a PR exercise it has been very successful.
These kids have been bombarded with pro-Palestinian videos without the greater context for why the situation in Israel is the way it is. There is a very complex history there that most of Gen Z is completely ignorant about. So to them the US's support for Israel makes no sense. Instead of accusing the universities of teaching this stuff, someone should take a look at where they are actually learning it (TikTok) and confront it there. Blaming the universities is attacking the wrong vector.
When it comes to the DT, anything they write on Israel is an opinion piece, even the supposedly neutral reporting. Usually you get hammered with several pro-Israel opinion pieces each day. They have this awful Colonel Kemp writing for them, who has always been one of the most shameless shills for the IDF. Obviously the DT fails to inform its readers that this supposedly neutral British ex-colonel is director of an IDF-charity in the UK (yes, such things exist).
It would have been huge fun if this of all papers would have been bought by Qatar's sovereign wealth fund, but they seem to have got out of that.
I only subscribe to them because the subscription is currently less than 1 €/month and it is more hilarious to read than any dedicated parody paper.
As to "left leaning" papers, I have a hard time to think of any major paper in the UK that's as far to the left as the DT is to the right. That would have to be something like the (imaginary) "Socialist Worker's Daily" or some fringe paper like that, the Guardian most certainly isn't. The Guardian even shut down its "Guardian Unlimited Talk" years ago, as (among other things) Israel was criticized too massively there.
It would have been huge fun if this of all papers would have been bought by Qatar's sovereign wealth fund, but they seem to have got out of that.
I only subscribe to them because the subscription is currently less than 1 €/month and it is more hilarious to read than any dedicated parody paper.
As to "left leaning" papers, I have a hard time to think of any major paper in the UK that's as far to the left as the DT is to the right. That would have to be something like the (imaginary) "Socialist Worker's Daily" or some fringe paper like that, the Guardian most certainly isn't. The Guardian even shut down its "Guardian Unlimited Talk" years ago, as (among other things) Israel was criticized too massively there.
That's a very dissmissive attitude towards the students. One might as well say that they haven't been bought yet by AIPAC or their big donors. It's difficult to think of a more cringeworthy and spineless performance than Columbia's Ms Shafik in Congress: "Would you risk getting cursed by the God of Israel?"; "Oh, no, no, no."
Hilarious, if it weren't so sad. In any other Western country such a MP would be ridiculed like an oddball, like one of these weird folks from NI's DUP.
This is quite a dismissive attitude towards the students. What makes you believe that they aren't informed about Israel's history? The more you learn about Zionism, the way Israel came into existence and the way it treated the Palestinians, the less likely you are to like this history.
There is absolutely zero justification for the way the Palestinians are treated in the West Bank and this completely invalidates all these insincere "but Hamas" arguments.
