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Israel/Hamas conflict
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Tam
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Bolton agreed:
Former Trump advisor Bolton: Opportunity for Israel to destroy Iran nuclear program
The former advisor’s stance sheds light on the increasing skepticism about the effectiveness of ongoing diplomatic negotiations with Iran.
m.jpost.com
Tam
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Israel air defense has multiple layers. The US took most of the credits:
US helps Israel shoot down 'nearly all' Iran-launched attack drones as Biden pledges support
President Joe Biden is lauding American forces who helped Israel down “nearly all” of the drones and missiles fired by Iran.
apnews.com
Of course he did.Israel air defense has multiple layers. The US took most of the credits:
US helps Israel shoot down 'nearly all' Iran-launched attack drones as Biden pledges support
President Joe Biden is lauding American forces who helped Israel down “nearly all” of the drones and missiles fired by Iran.
Tam
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Iran is Shia Muslim, while Saudi Arabia is Sunni Muslim.
Both claim to be the protector of Muslims and wouldn't back down.
Instead of directly fighting each other, both prefer others (proxies) to fight for them.
Although the conflict is religious base, Iran overrides its Shia Muslim's strong beliefs by fighting for the oppressed even when they are not Shia Muslims.
Hamas is Sunni Muslim (the same as the enemy Saudi Arabia). However, Iran still supports Hamas, not because of the Sunni Muslim religion but because the Sunnis are being oppressed in the Israel/Palestine region.
Jigglypuff
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Tam
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Put it in a complicated way: Saudi Arabia is at war with Iran. But instead of directly fighting with Iran, it just beats the hell out of the Houthi in Yemen. In turn, the Houthi shoots missiles at Israel.
Houthi cruise missile hits Israel in ominous first
The Israel Defense Forces said a "suspicious aerial target" struck an open area near Eilat.
www.newsweek.com
In turn, Saudi Arabia hopes Israel will shoot missiles at Iran.
IDF chief says Iranian attack ‘will be met with a response’
Beating around the bush is at work.
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Tam
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Proxies, Hamas... are puppets, small fishes.
The real target is the puppet master, big fish, Iran, but Israel was waiting for an excuse to attack it.
IAEA chief worried Israel could hit Iranian nuclear sites, kept inspectors home Monday
The real target is the puppet master, big fish, Iran, but Israel was waiting for an excuse to attack it.
IAEA chief worried Israel could hit Iranian nuclear sites, kept inspectors home Monday
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Jigglypuff
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This is a world War. Russia, China, and Iran, with their underlings, Yemen, NKorea, Syria, and their ilk, against the US, Israel, and similar. Meanwhile, some regimes move as the wind of self-interest blows them, like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt.
This is a civilizational war, between western liberalism and eastern/middle eastern totalitarianism.
This was never a conflict between the Israel the Goliath and Palestine the David. International maneuverings are 5D chess where moves of the past are erased and rewritten.
Each nation is made up of countless smaller interests, from politicians to voters to tribes to corporations. Each nation acts out of self-interest on a broad scale but makes boneheaded moves out of arrogance, incompetence, or bad information. Self-interest is disagreed upon within each nation. The people over here do not think the same as the people over there, within and without nations. Values vary by shockingly large amounts.
The Palestinians are little more than a sacrificial pawn of their totalitarian masters. Don't mistake the movement of a couple of pieces for the entire game.
This is a civilizational war, between western liberalism and eastern/middle eastern totalitarianism.
This was never a conflict between the Israel the Goliath and Palestine the David. International maneuverings are 5D chess where moves of the past are erased and rewritten.
Each nation is made up of countless smaller interests, from politicians to voters to tribes to corporations. Each nation acts out of self-interest on a broad scale but makes boneheaded moves out of arrogance, incompetence, or bad information. Self-interest is disagreed upon within each nation. The people over here do not think the same as the people over there, within and without nations. Values vary by shockingly large amounts.
The Palestinians are little more than a sacrificial pawn of their totalitarian masters. Don't mistake the movement of a couple of pieces for the entire game.
Tam
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Written by an Israeli American journalist Mairav Zonszein:
"Why Israel-Iran War Is a Lifeline for Netanyahu
An isolated leader who faced widespread criticism a week ago now has the backing of the West and has deflected global attention from Gaza."
"...the strike and Iranian retaliation have had a clear upside for Israel, reducing its growing diplomatic isolation—at least from Western capitals—and offering a lifeline to Netanyahu specifically."
"Why Israel-Iran War Is a Lifeline for Netanyahu
An isolated leader who faced widespread criticism a week ago now has the backing of the West and has deflected global attention from Gaza."
"...the strike and Iranian retaliation have had a clear upside for Israel, reducing its growing diplomatic isolation—at least from Western capitals—and offering a lifeline to Netanyahu specifically."
Hard to condone Netanyahu. Sadly, Iran has been and remains a far more serious problem and has gotten a relatively free pass. Should turn the heat up on both, but Iran has been relatively untouched so far.
Jigglypuff
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Tam
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One-word X response from Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir talking about the Israel aerial attack in Iran: "Lame."
Yair Lapid, Israel's opposition leader, added: "A security cabinet minister has never caused such heavy damage to the country's security, image and international standing. With an unforgivable, one word tweet Ben Gvir managed to ridicule and embarrass Israel all the way from Tehran to Washington. Any other prime minister would have thrown him out of the cabinet this morning."
www.bbc.com
Yair Lapid, Israel's opposition leader, added: "A security cabinet minister has never caused such heavy damage to the country's security, image and international standing. With an unforgivable, one word tweet Ben Gvir managed to ridicule and embarrass Israel all the way from Tehran to Washington. Any other prime minister would have thrown him out of the cabinet this morning."
Attack sends message to Iran but Israelis divided over response
Some in Israel had been calling for a stronger move than this apparently limited strike, writes James Landale.
www.bbc.com
