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No argument here, I almost never get close to advertised range. And again, they have to rely on EA charging (for the free charging, at least), which isn't very reliable. Personally, I'd rather get a used M3 or just spend more and get a MY. But for people looking for an entry-level EV SUV, this is a decent option.Assuming they use the same size battery pack, adding AWD will cost what in range? 25 miles? So are you now looking at 225 miles EPA, maybe 210 real world?
Not a huge fan of Audi going back to the sedans. Every time we priced one of those versus BMW, BMW came out on top. Audi seemed to nickel and dime you to death. So you ended up paying a lot beyond the original price.Big difference between X and Y; in multiple ways.
What about E-Tron? Audi also has some others coming beside current one but not sure if by May.
Do you drive at the EPA speeds? Highway test tops out at 60 mph. I bet if you did driver these speeds would hate it, but you would match the sticker.Who gets their advertised range in their Tesla? I NEVER have!
Bjorn performed charging and efficiency tests on the ID.3 with really good results. Odds are the ID.4 will be similar.
Our Etron gets the same efficiency as our Model X. As a result I get about 210 miles of range in the Etron on highway road trips and about 235 miles in the X. Etron crushes the EPA rating and our X falls way short. Also our X is a 2018 so it charges way slower than the Etron. As a result, if there are EA chargers along the route the Etron is actually faster for the road trip. Obviously it doesn't have the same storage space and etc, but the Etron is really impressive. It's sooooo much more quieter than the X even though it feels much less sporty.
In my opinion VW looks to have a hit on their hands. That price (especially with the tax credit) is really competitive. Agree it's not a cool and sporty as a Y, but for many people who want to buy an EV, that $10k-$15k difference is enormous.
Well, if we compare the MY with the ID3/4:
Bjorn's test of the ID3 1st (the most efficient) he got about 170 miles of range @ 72mph. So, I have to assume the ID4 would be looking at 170 miles (or 70% rated range) in a similar scenario, all things being equal. It should really be less, considering the ID4 isn't going to be as efficient...maybe 155 of range?
Meanwhile, we have MY achieving 289 miles @ 70 mph (91% rated range). Now, the average speed was about 2 mph higher with the ID3, so the MY would be a bit less efficient at 72mph.
Personally, if I'm only interested in a grocery getter the ID4 is competitively priced. However, as a family of 5 we use the Model 3 MR for that purpose. I can't use 170-155 miles, via the EA network, as a replacement for our travel vehicle. Even our MX90D routinely achieved 190 miles @75 (in Fall/Winter) and we had access to the SC network.
Of course, the ID3 was rated on WLTP, so it possibly would have been rated for 220 miles EPA which would have given it 76% of rated range...which would mean the ID4 might see closer to ~180.
Why would you assume the same range for the ID3 that Bjorn tested and the ID4?
The ID3 has a wltp range of 260 miles. The ID4 battery capacity is 33% higher (82kwh) and it has a wltp rating of 311 miles. That’s only 3 miles less than the estimated wltp range of the MY.
Well, if we compare the MY with the ID3/4:
Bjorn's test of the ID3 1st (the most efficient) he got about 170 miles of range @ 72mph. So, I have to assume the ID4 would be looking at 170 miles (or 70% rated range) in a similar scenario, all things being equal. It should really be less, considering the ID4 isn't going to be as efficient...maybe 155 of range?
Meanwhile, we have MY achieving 289 miles @ 70 mph (91% rated range). Now, the average speed was about 2 mph higher with the ID3, so the MY would be a bit less efficient at 72mph.
Personally, if I'm only interested in a grocery getter the ID4 is competitively priced. However, as a family of 5 we use the Model 3 MR for that purpose. I can't use 170-155 miles, via the EA network, as a replacement for our travel vehicle. Even our MX90D routinely achieved 190 miles @75 (in Fall/Winter) and we had access to the SC network.
Of course, the ID3 was rated on WLTP, so it possibly would have been rated for 220 miles EPA which would have given it 76% of rated range...which would mean the ID4 might see closer to ~180.
Bjorn's 120km/hr test are equal to 74.4mph which is a little higher than you were assuming. Also the range for the Model Y at 70mph is not equivalent. But regardless, yes the Model Y will probably go further. Yes Tesla has better charging infrastructure for the moment. But the same arguments you wouldn't buy an ID.4 are the same arguments people make everyday about not driving a Tesla. It might not work for you which is perfectly fine. Tesla's are amazing and the Model Y is an amazing car. I'm just saying that at $10k cheaper, plus qualifying for the $7500 tax credit, the ID.4 is in a completely different price category. No EV's in that price range compete with the ID.4 on the total package (size of vehicle, tech, charging speed, and range). So the ID.4 will open a new market for EV's which in my book is great. Anything to get people to stop buying ICE.
Edit: My father-n-law is on his third Rav-4. I've been trying to get him to get a Tesla and I was sure the Model Y would be it. But he can't afford a $50k SUV. I just told him about the ID.4 yesterday and now for the first time he's seriously considering an EV. For him, the range and everything else is perfect. He doesn't need a long road trip CUV.
I have test driven a couple electric vehicles and nothing matches the handling of the Teslas. Even the X, which kinda feels like driving a bus to me, handles much better than the BMW i3. (I understand the i3 is hardly a comparison to anything besides one of those plastic kiddy karts with a 6v battery, but still.)
The first drag race between the ID4 and a Model Y with PUP will be pathetic.
CX-5 is neat. I am in a Forester lease right now. It’s a good car (2019) but not sure about long term. It is excellent in the snow though and that’s what attracted me to Subaru years ago. I have no experience from Mazda but reviewers say they’re fun to drive. I need something that will get me home or to work safely in snowy conditions over the winter.
I seriously hope that first time EV buyers don't get a bad taste in their mouth's with the RWD ID4's pathetic acceleration and assume all EV's are that lame.