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Beh. Like I care if the car gets a bit ragged? Porsche say 2 years or 30.000 kms so I am sticking to that!! The car is nearly 5 years old so it's barely worth more than a Tesla Falcon Wing door anyways. p.s. Funnily enough in theory I should be driving a Model X at the time of writing...

I cancelled my reservation last week, but one of my concerns was possible longterm issues with those doors. Hopefully they will be OK, but they sound quite complicated so it was a slight worry for me. I am not really a car "geek" and I loathe the service trip I currently have to make every 2...

Let's hope they are cleverer engineers than the Swiss ones that failed to make working doors.

I think calling it a prototype was kinda witty for an off-the-cuff comment actually - but depends on your sense of humour.

Tesla are years behind Tesla in the EV space. :wink: Quote from some bloke in November 2013 called Elon Musk that works round there on a part-time basis: "I think for the X, we are aiming for maybe a few units at the end of next year, but volume production is – it’s a high volume production...

Based on the speed of Tesla production your car should still be in great condition in 10 years time as it will only have just rolled out the factory.......

Ha Haaaaa. You could have mine for free if it was transferable!! I just want my €4.000 back from Tesla. It has already been very clearly proven that a reservation number is worth nothing.

Design Studio is open for all of us in Europe now.

Ummmm....errrrr. Do those 6 words alone not kinda backup the "motors are dodgy" camp rather than the other way around? Just sayin. I am sure you like the car - but you did need a new drive unit!!! I know they have an 8 year warranty but I would personally now be nervous about buying a 6 year...

@djbakasan - logical and concise post fellah. Respect. I think what we see on the forum is a lot of naturally human cognitive biases. For instance: 2. Post-purchase rationalisationAfter we buy something that’s not right, we convince ourselves it is right. Most people refuse to accept they’ve...

My 12 month journey has also just ended in cancelling my order here in Germany. March last year when I placed my deposit I was quite excited and even bought some Tesla shares. Obviously the only information I have had since then (you get nothing from Tesla) has been on this forum, and combined...

Fortunately these things are all down to personal choices. I just would not personally get €180.000 of satisfaction out of my spend. My old Panamera 4S is probably worth less than €50k these days but I use it to carry trash down the dump and fill it with skis, snowboards, wakeboards, dogs...

Tesla reveals Model X pricing for early European reservation holders | Electrek Ha Ha Ha! Like for real? And still a year away for delivery. Insane pricing. Now chasing for my deposit back!!!

Wow - just in last 24 hours and I can see: "In Germany, a fully loaded Model X P90D will reportedly cost €172,000 ($187,000)" Holy crap!!

I don't think Elon got that memo.

Geneva Motor Show is open for the European press on Tuesday and Wednesday this week prior to opening for the public on Thursday the 3rd so should be lots more photos and information this week. You can be sure it will be the EU charger as that was the blue car we saw earlier in this thread...

Oopps a possible unintended but accurate prediction! Then again based on the Model X production levels that could still make the Audi the record selling electric 4x4 in 2018 in Europe.......

*cough* 39,999

That is all well and dandy. As you can see it has been a steep learning curve for me. I had never heard of Tesla 12 months ago but read an article and placed my deposit and even bought some shares. Everyone around on this forum is an old hand. It seems that 75% either own shares or already...

and you don't think it's just a little crazy that now a few Tesla X's are actually on the road Tesla is still unable to actually supply me any of the pricing info, delivery dates, a configurator or a test drive? I supplied them my €4.000 and a little trust 12 months ago...... Amusingly if I...

Hmmmm. That would officially then be: 1. No price facts 2. No delivery date facts 3. No configurator information 4. No test drives Ironically the ONLY facts I get are from this forum. You learn 100 times more on the forum than from Tesla. Seems wrong to me when a customer must rely on a...

I could well also post on an Audi forum as well (free world) but at the current time the only car I have on order is a Tesla Model X, so I don't see why I should not post sometimes - but I am clearly now no fanboy. My current wheels are a Porsche but I don't think the sun shines out of their...

That's good but I just can't face laying down €150.000+ for one of these things anymore. Not a case of whether I can afford it - it's just I don't think they deserve that much cash anymore. I hear ya - but I expect it will have roughly the same range as the X at least. There just isn't any...

I am sure Tesla has run the maths on this one. They will have calculated losing only xx reservations in Europe due to further delays against selling more units longterm into China. I also think the exchange rate is a problem. The Euro is weak against the Dollar at €1 to $1.10 whereas back...

Tesla Shifts Gears to Send Model X SUVs to China Before Europe - Bloomberg Business Lovely. I think this may be the nail in the coffin that gets me to request my €4.000 back.

Just order the car. By the time delivery from Tesla actually occurs it will be your kids driving you to the old folks home anyway.

So in a dream scenario they may roll out 12,000 by the end of June, and maybe another 12,000 by end of September if all goes to plan (which it never does). Realistically they will probably still be building the current 30,000 reservations in December 2016. Which is all fine, just trying to...

Correct!

If the tiny plate can only be Swiss then having 3 Swiss cars seems like more than coincidence. I could imagine one in FFT, but 3 indicates it is your side of the border!!! The mystery deepens..... As two of the cars look like Geneva based then it must be here: Tesla Store & Service Center...

I am pretty sure that GE number plate on the right is from SWITZERLAND. They have the CD and then GE exactly as shown. Tesla have service centres in Switzerland but this may well still be FRANKFURT and the car on the right is there for a special service or it broke down :-) The guys are...

It has crossed my mind. It did originally when I placed my deposit but Tesla assured me Spring 2016 delivery for the X and that was long long before I knew anything about "Tesla Time" being quite so fluid. I think externally they look quite similar. But a fully specced Tesla S is €150,000 over...

Lucky Apple don't have the capability, the cash, the experience or the desire to enter this marketplace in that case. We can argue this stuff round in circles but personally I think that BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes have massive experience in building all the little parts that make a car. You...

Manufacturing process and experience? Well in theory they managed to make the Model S function first time off the bat, so surely it would have been just as easy to have started with the Model 3. And no good saying that is with the benefit of hindsight as the $$$ risked on producing the S could...

I see what you did there PeterK :-) Maybe its for Opel in Rüsselsheim!!

It's been about 14 years since either of mine were in nappies - but I gotta say I just do not remember a big issue when putting them in a car. I know when you have a 2 door car and a baby seat in the back it gets annoying (but still fine in reality).....but in a 4 door 4x4 size car strapping...

*sighs* Yes I did put a €4,000 deposit down on a Model X in Spring last year. I even had some Tesla shares that I binned at $230 (see other forum posts on that). Just because I think the doors are an over-engineered waste of time and money, it isn't necessarily enough to stop me buying the car...

Huh? And you don't think Tesla stripped down and looked at other cars when they built theirs? And of course based on Elon's thinking he will be delighted that they have done this. p.s. and on the stripdown they may look at parts and say "Whoooooaaah, that sux.......let's be sure we dont make...

Ford admitted openly they bought a Tesla Model S and ripped it apart. Audi had 3 of them. Why would they need to be "secret" when driving it legally on the roads? How else would you test it on the Autobahn? and finally - if you were building the Audi Q6 E-tron it would be crazy NOT to buy one!!!

You assume I feel the need to be electric.......I don't.

Was reading yesterday that it is confirmed as an Audi owned "reverse engineering" unit they obtained. You would do the same thing if you were them and building a direct competitor. They had 3 of the Model S for testing and stripping down as well in the past. It doesn't mean the Model X is...

Tight? Who knows......but assuming you want anything other than the most powerful 7 seater then you are almost certainly at least 12 months away from a car in Europe if you order today. They have over 30,000 orders to get through before yours so I think June 2017 is actually a realistic kinda...

Not being funny - but I never really understand this thing about "test drives". I never bother......as long as there is headroom then I buy/order the car without testing. Done that with Porsches, Hondas, Volvos, Mercs etc over the years. You know it's gonna have 4 wheels and a steering wheel...

Based on the way things have been panning out recently I hope you placed that order about 3 years ago. I placed my order March 2016 (i.e. 9 months ago) and I don't expect to see the 5 seater I want here in Europe before about this time next year. Tesla say "middle of 2016" for the USA which...

I was pointing out the story of the morally bankrupt Jerry Maguire who has an epiphany and only finds true happiness once he mends his ways. I cannot think of a better modern parable to back up your case. p.s. I used to be a foreign exchange broker in the City of London in my early...

It happens for sure, I just can't think of it happening on quite this scale before? And yes I agree it makes good business sense.....but for me it is the sign of a company under quite some time pressure and financial stress. Clearly the nice, honourable, respectful way to treat customers that...

Sorry typo - I meant the top dollar P90D thing. When you can only get limited units out the door there is a huge difference between shifting $80,000 units and fully specced $130,000 units. And trying not to sound sarcastic but the whole TESLA model is a house of cards, so perception on the...

Well officially they told me Spring 2016 but I think we can safely forget that....although would be nice if Tesla told me of course. I have had no updates since March 2015 so if I was not on these forums I would be sat here expecting my car to rock up in a few months. Also the point the...

she. just sayin.

That's put a spanner in my works. I was kinda OK with stumping up for a P85D but I have zero interest in 7 seats. Sticks me back to a 2017 delivery then by the sounds of it here in Germany as mid-2016 in Tesla speak means October, and me being in Europe........dream on.