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Thanks, I love the Z06 and GT-R. I actually have a Porsche GT3 on order as well that will be my new track-only race car but need to sell another vehicle to free up some cash :) Honestly, I was originally just going to buy the 85. But I got such a huge discount on a inventory P85 with the same...

haha! Now that is funny...

LOL- you trying to justify you spending $25,000 more than my P85 for such minimal, if any differences other than .8 seconds to 60MPH? My car has a staggered wheel setup with 255/295's in it and lowered coil suspension which with this setup would out handle the P85D without issue. range...

The M, AMG, and S/RS performance variants of the big 3 luxury brands have zero depreciative effect on their base model versions. That is also my point. If you separate the P85D from the base models much better and distinguish them as in a different class, like the aforementioned automakers do...

250,000 Model 3's in only 5 years time. Yet, the Model X wont even begin deliveries for another year. Also, the service centers are already at max capacity and some supercharging locations have lines waiting to charge. I know you stated I have high expectations at the beginning of your...

I agree with you 1,000% actually. That was one of my exact reasonings for my P85. Does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and I can drive it hard around town without the cops hearing my loud headers and exhausts of my other cars. Personally, I am a fan of RWD more than AWD. I sold my GT-R 4 months ago and...

I don't need to see the reviews- the car is a higher horsepower version of the S85 and thats it, maybe a couple suspension bushings and 20mm wider rear tires- but thats it. I am sure it will be a rocket out of the hole, we know this. I was just wanting a car more comparable to the total...

You are proving my point. Every thing you mentioned there comes with the S85D. Where is the value proposition for the P85D besides better acceleration? Range- its 3-4%. If that. That is literally 1-2 minutes of supercharging. It is the difference between running your car down to 18 miles...

"advanced in all aspects" as in- what? Do you have a reference for this? Maybe next gen seats and other "advancements" that will trickle down to the base cars like bigger sun visors and a motorized charge port door? we all know Elon, and when he hypes things he doesn't leave anything out...

thats your opinion, albeit a wrong, uninformed, and snarky one. i come from a racing background and am a car enthusiast. I have built, owned, and driven many modified street and track cars. I own many performance cars and am at Laguna Seca at least every 6 weeks with one of my track cars. My...

It can still be a sleeper, it doesn't need crazy changes- just subtle differences for more airflow to the brakes and cooling systems, unique styled rims- maybe the lower plastic parts body colored- unique spoiler, not bigger, just a different design, carbon fiber or just improved rear diffuser...

Great, you would know about the huge differences in overall performance when spending the extra money for a Porsche Panamera Turbo S vs. a base model Panamera.. including exterior and mechanical enhancements that clearly signal it is a premium edition. It also is improved performance-wise...

Funny thing is, why would the car need to drive itself out of the garage? In the time the car is doing that I could have hopped in and just drove off. That would be a totally pointless feature... - - - Updated - - - I recommend you read through the whole thread. Yes, exterior changes would...

Ah ok - makes sense! I have an iPhone. The thread starter didn't mention this, I just assume most people have an iPhone so didn't even think about it.

+1000 Scott Pretty crazy to think someone can buy a 2012 Model S 60kw right now, and slap a P85D badge on the back and no one could tell the difference unless they take a test drive from 0-60. They wont feel much of a difference in braking and handling, either.

Its not about the "look at me" thing with having a performance version, it's about getting more value for your dollar when buying a performance model. Yes, visual enhancements should be there- BUT- what about better handling with sport tuned suspension, enhanced aero, better braking...

Just another part that can break, and potentially leave you stranded without the ability to open the charge port. Have you ever needed a motorized gas door on an ICE vehicle? Why is this needed?

Dude, the app has been like this for months.

Ok, well, my point is really that the motors will consume more power when you are driving in the real world- stopping, starting, etc as two motors need to draw from the same 85w capacity battery pack to get the car moving from a stop, up hills, etc. That 4% efficiency boost (to save $250 in...

Man, this supercar term is getting tossed out there like its nothing. The P85D accelerates quickly to 60. It in no way, shape, or form brakes/handles/performs like a supercar on any supercar-like testing metrics of any scale. It barely runs a high 11 second quarter mile.. in fact, it runs a...

Give me a break dude, really? Does a BMW M5 look like this? How about a Mercedes S65 AMG? How about the Audi RS7? - - - Updated - - - What I am simply stating is the P85D should clearly have exterior performance queues and LOOK like a premium upgrade over the standard versions...

Yes, why not get more of a value and bang for your buck with additional performance enhancements and premium features at a premium price over the base model, lets not complicate things- you are right. Let's all expect the minimal amount of additions and features at a maximum price, so Tesla can...

I am very surprised that the flagship performance car, the P85D, looks exactly like a 60 or 85 from the exterior. When commanding that type of premium price, why not have it stand apart from the exterior besides a simple badge, red calipers, and stick on carbon fiber spoiler (none of which this...

I haven't heard of this- but sounds like that should happen if charging those crazy prices for the Pro stuff. I am willing to bet many (if not most) of the people in this thread who paid those outrageous prices for Opti-Coat Pro did not get that sticker, and may even be running Opti-Coat 2.0...

Personally, I think the extra range is a BS marketing tactic. Maybe if you are babying the accelerator the whole time, where the car mostly uses the rear motor and uses the front motor for extra regen purposes. BUT- most of the time you want to accelerate a bit and the front motor is going to...

Unless its a P85D, I wouldn't bother. AWD is a huge benefit when transferring almost 700 horsepower to the ground for maximum traction, especially from a stop so it makes total sense there- just like with a Nissan GT-R. Now, if you are always driving in snow and even rainy areas, I can see AWD...

Yep, my detailer was telling me so many of these detailers go around charging $700-800+ and are just installing Opti-Coat 2.0 (consumer stuff at $60 a tube) vs the Opti-Coat Pro which is expensive. This is because many of the detailers are not able to get in with Optimum and purchase it unless...

I called Geico and inquired about a potential rate increase. They told me there is a "high probability" my rates would increase because of the Tesla. I said great, you will be losing a customer. Hung up and called the broker I use for my homeowners policy in Newport Beach, CA. They gave me a...

That is not the same stuff. The real OptiCoat Pro is only sold to professional detailers from Optimum directly, and it's something like $250 per bottle. You bought the consumer grade stuff that doesn't last nearly as long and is now discontinued and no longer made. The new consumer product...

I have SCE and am on their Time of Use EV plan. My Super-Off Peak times are Midnight-6am (when I charge the car) which is $0.09/kw during summer and $0.10/kw during Winter. I also have Solar and generate during On-Peak times and get credits ($0.31-0.49/kw) so this offsets a lot of my Off and...

Just do what I do, keep the stickers in the glove box and drive in the HOV lanes. 99.999% of the time the cop knows it's an EV (even they even are interested in pulling you over) and IF they pull you over, act dumb and just say you haven't had a chance to put the stickers on yet. Now, if the...

I saw one a couple months ago that read "SOLR FED" I thought that was pretty cool...

Sorry to hear about your air suspension. But wow, that was very difficult to read. Your constant references to the car as "she", "her", and "girl" are just pure maddening.

Sorry, but if you really need or want your car to park and unpark itself, you are missing the point of owning an automobile. I love driving and want nothing to do with it handling those functions myself. I love the driving experience, everything about it. If you automate any of that it...

A months worth of groceries for my family of 4 barely fits in our trunk, in the frunk area I could probably fit enough groceries for me for 4-5 days, I am kind of a big eater lol I honestly don't think the size difference is that big of a thing in the P85D. I would gladly trade my extra frunk...

Honestly I'm not sure, maybe $75? I'd have to see. If u are interested in them go ahead and PM me! :)

Yeah I went 1" all the way around! I'm real happy how it turned out! as for a price, my guy charged me $480 labor to install the shocks. I am willing to sell my factory Bilstein shocks fully machined to any set level you would like for at least $700. Reason is I paid almost that for the...

I was complaining about a console before I got my car, and almost ordered one before delivery. Once I got the car I was so happy it didn't have a console, now I wont even consider one. Trust me, get the car and drive it for a while- you may think the same. Either way, congrats on the P85D...

Good point, also raises the question of how this atrocious bumper will work with newer Tesla's coming off the line with autopilot hardware (front bumper sensors, grille mounted radar, etc)

Thank you

Sounds like an item that would normally trigger a recall, right? I know Tesla is a publicly traded company and they know how volatile things can get when any negative press is released regarding the Model S. Could it be this is recall material thats being quietly performed..? Or maybe this...

Upon my various research and findings, I found out how difficult it was to lower a coil suspension Model S. NO ONE makes an aftermarket kit. Giving credit to lolachamp's findings, I discovered a guy on here who had lowered his S85 using parts that were sent to him by lolachamp. Basically...

obsolete /ˈɒbsəˌliːt; ˌɒbsəˈliːt/ adjective 1.out of use or practice; not current <-- P85 not current and no longer produced, P85D current 2.out of date; unfashionable or outmoded <-- P85 outmoded by P85D and is out of date vs. P85D verbUS 1. cause (a product or idea) to be or...

I contacted my local Tesla mall showrooms and got a list of some inventory cars available. Unbelievable, P85 and P85s decently optioned out with 735 - 2500 miles with $7300 - $17,000 discounts on them. I asked why such steep discounts and they said they "are clearing older inventory because...

Well, it looks like the Frunk on the P85D is the solution to a map pocket everyone wanted.. thats about all you will fit in there now, kind of pointless with that limited space. Then again, I try not to use mine because the front hood is so flimsy I don't want it to bend.

Apparently you can, if your amp has balanced inputs I believe. It just won't sound that great. That's why we went the AudioControl L2CI route and when everything is dialed in, the JL sub really adds so much to the stock system it sounds 1,000X better. My wife went from completely hating the...

I'm not sure what the cost of the box would be, that would be a question best answered by JT @ Al & Ed's Huntington Beach. I do know that the whole setup cost me right about $1,500 installed. That was all parts and labor out the door. I originally wanted them to install the NVX package, but...

I had a custom enclosure made that fits a JL 10" W3 sub with a JL Audio amp. Very clean, and a nice grill painted w/ clear coat that compliments the car. Al & Ed's in Huntington Beach used my car to make the enclosure so they have the template now. Call JT over there and tell them Kris sent...

They are doing you a favor, in my opinion. Those color are hideous on the Model S.

Took my P85 in for this same problem, service center in Costa Mesa, CA said they are aware of this problem and Tesla will be releasing a new part number in Nov./Dec. for this.. they know its a problem with the existing part. Nov/Dec in Tesla time means sometime around November or December...