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Maybe...I noticed an immediate loss of 9 miles of range after the same update. I literally checked my max range estimate before and after the update and it changed by -9 miles and hasn't come back since. If you're seeing BMS anomalies then that gives me hope maybe its a BMS issue. Edit: I also...

I think to get a better understanding of how winter temps affect range, we should post at what temp we are seeing the range also. My '18 AWD LR has ~55K miles. My 100% shows 278 miles at about 40 degrees F. My max range hasn't changed too much in the past 6 months to be honest. This is on...

A majority of people I see complaining (including myself) are losing ~10% range in 1-2 years. Since most people plan to keep their cars for the long haul, a steep drop like that so soon would naturally have some concerned about long term reliability. Especially since battery replacement isn't...

The Hummer is way to expensive for me but aside from that, I'm not going to hate on it too much. Its interesting. I could see Arnold driving one around but not your average consumer. The prototype they displayed seemed more of a finished product than the Cybertruck and the informercial...

Yup, That's exactly why I was curious. Since the 3 has different battery chemistry as the S and X, I was interested in seeing if it's an inherent flaw in the 2170 cell vs what's in the S and X

Thanks. I've had my car a little over 2 years now and do a 130 mile roundtrip commute to work so the miles add up fast. I'm daily charging between 20% to 80% (or sometimes 90%). My job wasn't really impacted by the pandemic, If anything I have been getting overtime and driving more frequently...

Interesting data. Thanks for sharing. I have a Sept 2019 AWD LR myself and while I don't have the data to display like you do, I can confirm mine is very similar. I currently have just over 50k miles and my lifetime avg is 271 wh/mi. My max range at 100% soc is 276 miles as of this morning. If I...

Yea as far as I can tell, the navigation calculates route and charging stops based on what range the car thinks it has. So if my BMS (battery icon) shows 275 miles at 100%, it seems to plan my routes based on that and not the 310 "rated" miles I'm supposed to have. Yes I'm around 11%. Actually...

For my day to day, my 11% range loss (reported by the BMS) doesn't really bother me. It just means my daily range is a little less. I drive 130+ miles commute so I'm charging 20 to 80% daily. Where it does matter to me is when I'm taking long trips and my charging stops are increased slightly...

Exactly! I see this too. I would love for Tesla to allow us to pick which superchargers we want on our route. When I was coming back from Reno a while back, it insisted I stop at the 72kwh superchargers in San Ramon when I didn't even realize there was a 150kwh supercharger another exit down...

Same build timeframe here and I also inquired about this TSB and got the same exact response. I too am skeptical because of my range loss but feel I have very little recourse in the matter.

Same delivery date here and amazingly similar degradation also. I'm just around 278 miles at 100% however I have 50k miles. I also asked my local service center about several battery related TSB's but they gave me a speech on how my battery is within spec and how my car does not qualify for the...

My condolences. You're not alone. There's many of us spending too much of our time trying to decipher how the BMS is reporting range and if our degradation is real or not. Not something I anticipated when I purchased this car. I myself have many more miles than you at 50k but I'm sitting at...

You are not crazy. I have experienced this as well. After my drive home from work, I"ll park but not charge and after the first couple hours I'll check my range on the app and notice a 10-15 mile drop from when I initially arrived home. Whats weird is after that initial drop, I can leave my car...

Cool man. Thanks for the info.

Question regarding how the car reports degradation. If the car is displaying range in Percent, does that value change if there is real degradation. Will it charge to 100% no matter the battery capacity? or does it max out at 95% or whatever if the battery capacity has diminished? Is having the...

Understood but was curious the reasoning for the faulty valves themselves and if it affected the battery's ability to properly control temp in anyway. Then if true, cause battery issues down the road. Far fetched I know however, My pack was "popping" so hard during charging that I could feel it...

However the car thinks the range has been lost. I'm unlikely to drive my car to 0 to find out if its hiding range so I drive within the 20-90% of the battery displayed range. I recently went on a 800 mile drive with a 250 mile stretch with no tesla charging. My displayed range is 272 miles and...

My LR AWD range has been steadily declining over the past 2 years and I'm nearly at the level the OP has at 272 miles at 100% SOC. I've tried lots of "calibrations" with no luck. However, this information is promising so I'll try this too with some hope. My commute is 130 miles roundtrip so I...

I don't have the data to show, but I can confirm I have the same or close the same numbers as you. Up until a couple months ago, I could charge to 290ish. Now, after the past couple updates, I am sitting at 280 even and sometimes the high 270's. My range woes seem to also correlate with the last...

Good point. Before I bought mine, I gave ebay a look and was surprised to find them priced almost at retail and sometimes even more. Some are $600 when its $450 from Tesla!

When I got my HW3 upgrade, I lost everything. By everything, I mean everything. The car displayed the VIN as #### and I had no slacker access. My trip odo was zeroed, all game progress lost. Phone keys and even my card keys were wiped. It was factory new. Luckily a simple reboot fixed the VIN...

Same build date and very similar miles on my LR AWD and my 100% is 281 miles. You're doing better than me. I'd love to be in the 290's again.

Damn I didn't know this existed. I probably would have gone for it. Looks sold out at the moment anyway but this is cool. Who knows, maybe I can rent mine out now and recoup some cost. Thanks for the tip

Funny you mention this because I just created my Drive the Arc account and planned on checking this out. I'm actually driving out of state this weekend and I see that Drive the Arc follows I80 quite a while so I might hit it up around Roseville area too on my trip. The one in Marina is not too...

I'm with you on this one. I recently bought the Chademo adapter simply because I'm going on a 700 mile drive with a 250 mile stretch with no tesla charging but has a Chademo charger. The drive has hills so there's no way I'd make it without this. That said, it stung forking out this much money...

Thanks for the info. How refreshing to have a tech actually be semi honest with you instead of the default "within spec". This more or less confirms what most of us in this situation already believe....that some packs are just better than others. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the...

Thats crazy. I can relate though. My AWD LR will max out at a rated 279 miles of 310 new. I've tried every battery calibration procedure that I've come across and I've never had a notable difference. One thing that stands out in my case is all the recent updates cause my battery to tank 5-10...

Ouch! I have Xpel Ultimate and had a similar experience. I have a couple tears in my PPF like this but luckily my paint seems unaffected. At least I think. I probably won't know for sure until its removed and damage inspected. Like others have said, I think if the rock is big enough, there's no...

I agree with you. This seems excessive to me as well. Unfortunately it seems there's very little recourse for it. I've been trying to just enjoy the car like others say and not focus on the range but it still bugs me whenever I think about it. That being said, the third party hardware/software I...

Hi, Just wanted to chime in, I have very similar numbers to you. My car has 44,000 miles and shows a max charge at 283 miles. Also 2 years old. I have been charging to 90% daily to see if it helps but so far not so much. I have a long commute so daily I am running the car from 90 miles back up...

I can understand your angst. Making the rated range in my car is like a bad video game. Have you tried adjusting your climate control. Run it in manual with AC off and temp set all the way to LO and see how much lower your wh/mi gets. I'm not 100% sure on how climate and entertainment is...