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I would not comment in this forum if I did not own MY and Volt :) We indeed will see what future will bring and if not the Ford somebody else will make a good EV. Tesla needs to improve their QC (a bit better now), service (really did not like the SC in Austin), and their customer support in...

100% agree with you - I did this for myself, based on my preferences. By no means it represent any objective comparison. I published the original spreadsheet, so everyone can adjust the points based on his/her preferences. However, in my personal case, you can see that there 2 cars come pretty...

This is ok. Everyone may have their own preferences, and it is perfectly fine. I do not want to think about charging stops on my long trip, neither I want to swear without ventilated seats in Texas. I do not care about paying for gas. I am using EV for fun, I like the way it drives. Not to save...

New X5 (or X7) is amazing for long trips :) No EV is coming even close.

Not precise - $2000 for any EV other than Tesla - Light-Duty Motor Vehicle Purchase or Lease Incentive Program - TCEQ - www.tceq.texas.gov I was wrong about 2500 - it is 2K only

Lucid is my bet for the future EV. I want a luxury EV car - leather, ventilated seats, etc. I do not like the current Tesla seats, (MME a bit better, at least you can adjust headrest).

Yes, it will chime when you actually going to crash. I prefer to get a normal blind point detection/notification system. As any other vehicle does and it proved to be very efficient.

Nope, but I am familiar with Israeli Mobileye (now Intel). Plus I only rely on information that was provided by Ford and from my experience with testing similar ford systems by myself. I was using Tesla Autopilot for a while and pretty familiar with it. I think it is better than other systems in...

Agree. X7 is a way better car that any Tesla or other EV for long trips, it is not even subjective IMHO :) Well, we can debate on some of these features, we can talk about missing blind spot detection for Tesla, etc. One thing I do want to mention - Tesla Autopilot is the same as the build-in...

That is why you have "real world" range youtube movies :) MY is getting about 250-270 real-world miles on 100% charge. 80% charge - - 210-215 miles. This is the real day to day range. M3 is a bit better. I agree that Tesla somehow tricks EPA testing. Kona EPA matches real-world tests for...

Right, but you mentioned that home charging will cost much more. So IMHO home charging is not an issue (10$ more per month anyone can handle). The problem indeed exists for long trips, BUT - we do not know what agreement Ford will sign and what the price will be. So it is pure speculation for now.

100% correct, and this is one of the biggest issues for now. However - I have a good ICE car, which is a WAY better than any EV, including any Tesla. I use it for long trips and I "recharge" 400miles in 4 minutes. And it has ventilated seats, all "autopilot" features, air suspension, etc.

Actually it is better to wait How come? it is only 25% less efficient than Tesla !? Why 3 times more?

Way more you mean $10 per month?

The cost is not known - Ford may sign a discount agreement. As for speed - Tesla wins, no question here.

It all depends on what is important for you. Blindspot indicator? 2 Displays? Better seats? Everyone has it's own preference. Interesting that you forgot to mention federal credit as well as state credits in states like Texas (where tesla is not eligible for anything). Your comparison is...

Why not to cancel and get your money back? They will not give you any answers, they do not know the answer and also do not care about you.

It is your decision - nobody knows.

This is a totally different discussion. You basically saying that the quality of the car is less important than environmental benefits. I and many others will totally disagree with you.

Well, IMHO Tesla is not a premium car. Neither interior nor exterior wise.

Not quite precise - MOST of the work must be done by Tesla. an only a SMALL portion can be done by someone else. As for the cost MX and MY - I agree, it may be different. However, the point is that as most of the cars are under warranty, it is extremely difficult to calculate the total cost of...

Regardless if numbers are 100% correct or not - you will be at the mercy of Tesla and nobody else can do any work on the car. I think we will see soon (when many M3 will be out of warranty) what is the real cost of owning the car. This will be very interesting :)

How do you know that!? It is just not visible to us, so we hope these parts and assembly are ok. I found 5 bolts without nuts (near the wheels). Anyway, let us hope for the best :)

I returned mine on July 6th and still waiting for the refund. The good news - I finally was able to get Tesla rep. They even promised me to refund my interest I need to pay for these "waiting" days. I personally doubt they will.

I do not ignore ICE associated costs - I mentioned that maintenance and warranty for my ICE car's are usually 4 years. So nothing will be paid in 4 years. After that - you are right, but Tesla will be out of warranty as well, and things may fail even in Tesla. As for gas costs - you are right...

Good point. Tesla will be forced to create a CCS adapter for NA in the future. Ford hopefully will have unified pricing that is much cheaper than regular EA and EVgo pricing. I see that major brands like GM, Ford, VW and others will do the same. Well, even in CA, where the price of galon is...

Personal experience. I have 2 cars, ICE and EV. I live in Austin, TX, the price of a gallon is less than $1.7 per gallon. Electricity is 12c per kWh. Driving EV is about half the price of the gas (home charging only). My ICE SUV drives more than 20 miles per gallon. 12K miles per year on ICE...

Biased video in my opinion - not mentioning $7500 federal and state incentive (Tesla will not get state incentives in particular states like Texas). MME price in Texas will be lower than MY by 1K. There are many other statements that are wrong, especially about ADAS (Autopilot).

I had very similar issues (especially hatch). SC will not fix it, it is within 'Tesla spec'. The good news - car drives well even with such gaps.

Nope, still waiting. But I just got a call fro Tesla (after chatting with them) that they are working on it and they will reimburse my interest as well (!) - I would not hold the breath for that, but it was nice to hear :) BTW, sorry for the typo - I returned my on July 6th, so about 40 days...

The right thing (in my mind) is to lease a car for a couple of years and then we all will have a great choice of cars. Owning a technology that changes so fast maybe very expensive at the end. And btw, owning EV is MORE expensive than an ICE car, even with the cost of repairs of ICE. We buy EV...

Everyone's priorities are different. I am not driving without google maps or Waze, regardless if I know the route or not. At the absolute minimum, it will alert me on police traps (that feature alone saves a lot of $$$). It is not about knowing the route, it is about being 'smarter' on the route.

You forgot to ask if MME will get the phantom braking of Tesla :) Anyway, I do not understand why people on this forum so against MME. It has many good things, opposite to Tesla it has a usable blind spot detection (real radar for that + LED in the mirrors), Traffic Cross Alert (great safety...

1000 miles / 7 day's I agree with you - they will push you as much as they can to accept the delivery. Remember that when you return your car within 7 day's you will be refunded in 2-3 months only. You will continue to pay the loan at that time. Touchless delivery is just an excuse in my...

I see fewer complaints as well. It is time to visit a delivery center here and check the lastest cars :)

Congratulations - great car, great finish! I also really like the color. Enjoy !

The car looks great - no real visual issues for me. Good luck!

They promised me to refund all money but the 100$ deposit. Others on the forum confirmed that.

I am still waiting for my refund - returned it on July 6th. So it may take more, many people reporting 2-3 months. You will not be able to order the same trim, but your wife can do that. I did the same mistake as you did - "I was pretty close to rejecting delivery but I figured all of these...

How much time did it take Tesla to return the money?

It really seems to be random - some cars are great (I just noticed one MY White in my neighborhood and it was almost perfect) and some have these gaps and misalignments. My theory is that there are different production lines, some of them are not tuned well. So it is pure luck what car you will...

+1 All people I know who ordered paid 0 ADM.

I used ActiveX perforated seats that Ford mentioned that are currently in use in many Ford cars. Seats will be the same according to Ford rep. My major complaint with MY seats is the headrest. It is not adjustable and my family hates it. The trim I used is Premium AWD, LR, I also added peal...

Agree with you. I had bad experience with Tesla delivery and service. As for MME - we still need to figure out the real range. My Chevy VOLT EPA is 53, and I always got 53+. MY EPA is 316, my real range is 270 miles. The question is what MME will be. If 280 miles as they say now, and it is...

Agree, Texas is a special case. Said that there is no excuse to be rude and show your ignorance as Tesla delivery agent. Even in Texas :)

With Tesla SA it is probably the only way to get help. I never got worse service at any dealership. Great EV Car (probably the best for now) and the worst delivery experience I ever had. BTW, my SA did not allow me to examine the car. He insisted that the only way to do that is to accept the...

Another problem with a refund - the time it takes to get money back. I am at 5th week and still waiting...

You may be surprised how fast they can deliver you a brand new car :) I see folks here getting it 1-2 weeks after ordering. It is definitely based on location, but you are BA, so the chances are good.

Just to note - when you return your car expect 1-3 months till you get money back. Car is great, but there is no excuse for this crap issues for this price tag.

same as mine, VIN 13xxx, produced in June. The question about the hatch - see if you have a similar issue: The funny part - there are some perfect fit cars (10-20%?) and 80% is like yours. The numbers are a pure guess based on visiting the delivery center here in Austin, TX, and looking into...