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and that is something that happens, I will not spend 80K dollars on a car I can not use 100% of the time. Other people think the same way, I don't understand why people on this forum get so defensive about that.

Why are you all so up in arms about topics like this? Some people don't want to stop for 30 minutes every 200 miles on a road trip, and they would be correct in my opinion. That is too long of a wait, even if there were superchargers everywhere I needed them. I get it, you all love the Model...

I wonder when the IIHS will conduct their crash testing of the Model S?

Where are you finding battery swap stations in a Dallas to Florida route? I hope you didn't lie to them just to sell a car, they aren't going to find battery swaps in that area of the country in a long time, if not ever.

Doesn't having to replace tires at under 10K miles seem counter productive to the whole less maintenance cost that an ICE? Not only are you paying a premium for an electric car, your tires won't eve last 1 year?

I'm all for addressing the reasons people aren't buying electric cars, but let's be real. The reason people aren't buying electric cars isn't that it takes longer to charge than to fill a gas tank, it's because it costs 60K dollars. When we have electric cars that are 30K, then Elon can get...

Q: When you return the battery pack, do you have to pay again for the swap? And next question - how is this technology better than Better Place's? Elon: Yes, by the time you get pack you get your own pack back fully charged, and you pay again for the pack swap. No one has noticed this little...

Pretty weird that the best car in the world requires someone to do something like this just to get air conditioning in the back seats.

Not to mention the whole 2 door thing. I imagine a mass adoption car will need 4 doors.

yeah, that's not creepy or anything. I don't think limiting your charge based on where you live fits with the whole free charging thing. Free charging, but wait we see that you live within 50 miles of this charger, so no electricity for you. Just go ahead and charge everyone then, if you are...

How exactly are you going to determine if the person using the charger is local or on a trip? Are you going to ask everyone where they live before they start charging? Like it or not, if charging is free you can't do anything to stop anyone with a Model S from charging there.

It has range. I love how everyone on this forum acts like an ICE car is so bad. Can buy 2 Prius and enough gas for 10 years for both or a Model S, hmmmm I wonder why some people aren't ready for an electric vehicle yet.

Yes, but like was said earlier, 250 mile range while empty is going to be significantly reduced if loaded or towing. If they get a 250 mile range while fully loaded and towing a mid sized trailer, I'll eat my arm.

I'm just wondering how big the battery would have to be and how much the truck would weigh. Model S is over 4000 pounds with an 85kw battery, they'd need something a lot bigger than that to tow and have any kind of range. Maybe some of those battery improvements will help.

Claiming that a Tesla truck will crush all other half tons is a big task. With a properly configured F150, you can tow up to 11,000 lbs and have a payload capacity of 2000 lbs, and still have a range over 400 miles in one fill up. I just don't see any way for an electric truck to do that. For...

Yes, but the $30K base price is factoring in the 7500 tax credit, how many people that regularly buy cars 30K and below have enough tax liability to take full advantage of that credit?

I would agree, a car that has sales of around 100K in the US isn't exactly the car for the "masses".

2.8 million cars sold by Tesla, yeah I don't think they are going to get to that range for at least 10-15 years if that.

I really think any energy use while parked is ridiculous. My ICE car doesn't use any gas while it is parked.

For a company that is supposedly "green", these loses are really staggering when you think about the numbers. 4+ kW loss per day, that's potentially 1500 kW per year for every Tesla that has currently been sold. With a goal of 20K plus Model S, that's potentially 30 million kW per year for all...

Yeah, the idea that the government would reduce a tax already in service is laughable.

and you think the Republicans in the House give a flying crap what the President suggests? After his failure of gun control, he's going to take up interstate commerce? Yeah, don't think so.

You all DO realize that even setting aside the fact that these are state laws, the President is NOT a king and can not set aside any laws, period. This petition isn't going to do anything, because even if the federal government wanted to take up this issue, Congress is the one that would have...

Unless some other manufacturer gets on the EV bandwagon, Tesla is going to be the only dog in the fight. It took the Prius 11 years to reach the 1 million sold mark, so I'd imagine that a higher priced pure EV is going to take longer, especially if another administration gets rid of the tax...

They would need to get Gen III below 30K to hit that goal, can't really count on people who buy a car at this level having enough tax burden to benefit from the total 7500 tax credit.

Model S, X, and Gen III 20K each would take over 16 years to reach 1 million. Let's say Tesla is super successful and sell 100K cars total when Gen III comes out, still don't see how they could make 1 million before 2020. Either way, the EV market, while growing, won't be a significant...

total EV sales won't hit 1 million until 2025

I don't think it matters either way, because the news reports said that the driver of the Tesla was admitted to the hospital with minor injuries, if something had happened medically to make him swerve over into the other lane, it would have been reported. This driver did not have a heart...

The idea of not filling your car up completely when getting fuel is foreign to most people. Having to stop at a certain point and travel to the next filling station is not something that a lot of people are going to want to do, we are used to an ICE car, you fill up the tank and go.

Large screen aside, why would anyone pay the thousands for NAV then when my 300 dollar stand alone GPS will do the job better and I get lifetime updates included? I don't see the point of having the big screen if you can't use it for anything.

I'd be really careful parking behind an ICE car trying to block them in, you might come back and find your 80K dollar MS dented.

You all do know that Tesla does not own these parking spaces and they can not forbid anyone from parking there? Talking about damaging a car doesn't seem like the good will that EV owners want to generate.

Some conscientious buyers might choose the goods from environmentally friendly countries, but the vast majority of everyone on this planet, not only Americans, shops with their pocketbooks. If it's cheaper, they are going to buy it.

So, how long did it take you including charging times to cover each leg of the 265 miles?

The whole "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" argument gets my goat every time. Just because you are a law abiding person, you shouldn't care about all the ways that corporations and the government can track you? The way this country is headed, I could see mandatory...

All that would do is hurt the American workers with higher priced items. Can't buy Chinese goods because of pollution, our economy would crash overnight. You aren't going to get the public to pay 2-3 times more for a product made in the US or Europe and tell them that it is because of climate...

Good luck with that. Tell those countries emerging that are burning coal like it's going out of style that they have to stop. That'll go over good.

And how exactly are we going to "act" before it's too late? What can the US government do to change the climate? Answer, nothing. If China/India and emerging markets don't act the same, it won't make a difference. The way I see it is increasing the cost of power for Americans for little or...

Having to turn the heat down and drive below the speed limit just to make it to a supercharger, and a 1 hour or more wait, doesn't seem to me to be part of the "best car in the world". This just shows that the Model S is nothing more than an expensive enthusiast car, it is never going to be...

True, and shouldn't really need saying. If you are already in the luxury market, then the Model S makes perfect sense and may save you money. If you are just looking for a car to drive that gets good gas mileage for work and the occasional trip, not so much. Hopefully gen 3 will take care of...

The only rationalization is that you want the car and can afford it. Savings wise, you can buy a new Prius and have enough left for 30 years of fuel at $5/gallon, so the Model S obviously can't compete with a hybrid if your only rationalization is fuel savings.

Nothing irrational about wanting your $80K car to be able to travel more than 200 miles in a single day without extending road trips by 2-3 hours just to charge. I would imagine that the majority of people who travel long distances, unlike people on these forums, would not find having to stop...

Yes, but with the Prius there is no worry of running out of battery charge and being stranded without any charging available.

I know it's been said before, but Model S needs a battery life remaining display. It'd be a lot better going distances if you could see that you have 25% or so of battery life remaining without having to break out a graphing calculator with these energy charts.

I don't know how many TN Tesla owners there are yet, but the middle TN area has a deluge of CHAdeMO thanks to Cracker Barrel. Shame to not be able to plug in while enjoying some good food.

It makes sense to charge for something that should be done before the car is even delivered? This isn't something that broke and needs fixing, this is like not putting seats in and charging you for them later. I know there are a ton of Tesla cheerleaders on this forum, but we consistently...

So, is this a new different car company? Sounds like all the other companies out there, nickel and dime.

What are people going to do when the door handle motors start wearing out? Of all the things that need replacing on older cars, why make door handles one of them? I know they are cool when they work, but it's an unneeded over complication.

all of this talk of bags and blow torches and crawling through the back and everything else for a $80K car is amazing. It looks pretty stupid I'm sure when you have your expensive high tech car and your blow torch trying to get in and somebody else walks up to their low tech car and just pulls...

It seems to me that the lack of a charge timer is a huge oversight on an EV vehicle. Even on one rushed to production to meet certain quotas and deadlines.