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Old 10-16-2007, 03:10 PM   #11
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I don't think the consequences of NHTSA refusal to allow single-phase airbags is quite as bad as Tesla indicates; they need to demonstrate hardship which certainly influenced the wording. Unfortunately, it would definitely mean another delay and possibly another round of financing, which is still bad. :(

Miles' involvement is unexpected, but clearly they perceive Tesla as a major threat, and are willing to risk the reputation of EVs in general to make Tesla suffer.

It's good business sense to have a plan in case the appeal fails. There are a lot of things Tesla can do to survive this, but that's all they'd be doing--surviving. Prosperity would be elusive.

I doubt this is the only regulatory ball Tesla is busy juggling. I wonder what other drama is unfolding that we don't even know about?

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Old 10-20-2007, 09:28 AM   #12
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Interesting article:-

http://www.citizen.org/documents/Title4Testimony.pdf

Full of fun quotes:-

NHTSA’s Administrator estimated as long ago as 1997 that the aggressive design of light trucks kills 2,000 additional people needlessly each year.

Another analysis found that 1,434 passenger car drivers who were killed in collisions with light trucks would have lived if they had been hit instead by a passenger car of the same weight as the light truck, even under the same crash conditions.
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:33 AM   #13
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BlackbirdHighway.

Please give us any updates you may have after your visit to the Green Transportation Expo tomorrow.

Mind you, I bet the guys on the Miles stand won't know what you're talking about unless you take copies of the documents :)

Oooo, isn't freedom of information fun!

Thanks.
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Old 10-25-2007, 03:33 PM   #14
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Over here, Martin wrote the following:

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This whole airbag thing is annoying...

Yes, the Roadster has dual airbags, made by Siemens. These are substantially the same as the airbags in the Lotus Elise, and have been proven in the Roadster through a series of FMVSS crash tests and sled tests.

The DOT has created a new airbag requirement for 2008 and later model years -- the so-called "smart airbag" system. This new system includes seat sensors that measure the weight and position of the passenger on the seat, and moderates the airbag firing based on measurements.

As you might imagine, such a system is quite tricky and very expensive to develop. The DOT knows this, and included in the new requirements an opportunity for smaller car companies to request an exemption from this new requirement based on financial hardship. Indeed most of the smaller car companies - including both Telsa and Lotus - have applied for this exemption.

This exemption would NOT exempt Tesla from having airbags - the airbags in the Roadster still must meet the standards that every other car had to meet up until model year 2007.

This recently became an issue when some yahoo (pick your favorite expletive) at Miles Automotive filed a petition with the DOT to deny Tesla's requested exemption. I don't think their petition will change the DOT's position, but it was picked up by some entrepid reporter at autobloggreen.

Why, you might ask, would Miles Automotive do such a thing? I think there is only one reasonable answer, and you have already guessed it...

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Old 10-27-2007, 05:49 AM   #15
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Future Airbags

Something worth looking into, for future models. . .

http://news.windingroad.com/countrie...-mothers-milk/

It would be interesting to see if these bags could meet the "advanced airbag" requirements with less complexity and expense.
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:35 AM   #16
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Ferrari got an exemption...
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Something worth looking into, for future models. . .

http://news.windingroad.com/countrie...-mothers-milk/

It would be interesting to see if these bags could meet the "advanced airbag" requirements with less complexity and expense.
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"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration almost cost Ferrari $53 million in sales of its F430 Modena..."


600 Tesla Roadsters equals $60 million dollars.

Of course that's not all profit!
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Twin "Fun Bags"
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Twin "Fun Bags"

"“The twin bag design provides an ideal occupant protection device that reduces the load on the neck and chest, and can protect occupants with a wide range of physique.”

The saftey police will not be happy untill we have full racer protection with 5 point harness, arm restraints, Nomex and a HANS device.


Come to think of it, the HANS device might be useful with the twin bag arrangement.

http://hansdevice.com
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