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    Rav4 EV vs Model S 40kWh

    So, if someone is in the market for a ~$50k EV, which is the better buy?

    Some of the early reviews have already tagged the Rav4 EV as a plausible substitute for the base Model S, but it makes for an interesting comparison of 2 rather different cars with similar powertrains.

    1. Both have essentially the same powertrain, with 40kWh in the Model S and 41.8kWh in the Rav 4, but since the Rav4 is a CUV with higher drag coefficient and possibly larger frontal area the driving range will probably be lower.
    2. Model S is a little faster 0-60 and handles better due to its lower center of gravity, longer and wider wheelbase, bigger tires, etc.
    3. Rav4 seems to have a lower price, but we don't yet know the options pricing. Advertised price of $49k before tax rebates vs base Model S 40 of $57.4k
    4. Cargo room is similar (36.4 cu ft Rav4 vs 36.8 MS seats up; 73cf vs 66cf max cargo)
    5. Rav4 is a more manageable size (width 71.5" Rav4 vs 77.3 MS; length 181.9 vs 195.9; height 66.3 vs 56.5)
    6. Luxury features - I think the Model S has more choices but at a cost
    7. 17" touchscreen for the Model S - a positive for some, negative for others
    8. Charging options - Model S wins here, with its 240v capable UMC
    9. Rav4 has better back seat headroom (39.7" vs 36.6), but 3 in the back seat may be a tight squeeze. No rear jumpseat option.
    10. Availability - for now Model S wins here
    11. Rav4 has built in rear seat cupholders

    Source for dimensions: Edmunds, using regular 2012 Rav4

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    Hmm, MS doesn't really win on availability since we still haven't confirmed #1 was delivered yet. I suspect you may be able to walk in and buy a Rav and get it before an S.

    I think its good it's out now and not right before the X as Toyota has a better track record, larger consumer base, the rav is likely cheaper and, with the traditional styling, won't turn folks off like the falcon doors might.

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    People that live far away from Tesla service centers and do not want to incur extra ranger maintenance costs may opt for the Rav 4 EV over a Tesla. I wonder if there will be any chance of getting a Tesla serviced at a Toyota dealership. The silver lining for Tesla owners may be future access to workshop manuals for proprietary power train bits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRJIM View Post
    People that live far away from Tesla service centers and do not want to incur extra ranger maintenance costs may opt for the Rav 4 EV over a Tesla. I wonder if there will be any chance of getting a Tesla serviced at a Toyota dealership. The silver lining for Tesla owners may be future access to workshop manuals for proprietary power train bits?
    I think Toyota has said that that RAV4EV is only going to be serviced at a few specialize locations in California. You probably actually have more service options nation wide with Tesla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipernicus View Post
    9. Rav4 has better back seat headroom (39.7" vs 36.6), but 3 in the back seat may be a tight squeeze. No rear jumpseat option.
    Did they nix the 3rd row split/seat in the Rav4 EV that the regular Rav4 had? They used have two additional seats in the 3rd row as an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnOutsider View Post
    I think its good it's out now and not right before the X as Toyota has a better track record, larger consumer base, the rav is likely cheaper and, with the traditional styling, won't turn folks off like the falcon doors might.
    My wife decided she didn't want falcon doors, we converted our X back into another S reservation. I pondered getting the Rav4, but decreased range and the fact that it's still the same $22K Rav4, was a no brainer to just get two Model S and no more ICE cars. We'll get both 85kw and a 40kw, since we only need one with a longer range. The base Model S plus options still gives you the same styling and interior comforts as the $100K versions, just less performance and less range.

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    The RAV4 EV doesn't have something equivalent to the Model S Universal Mobile Connector. Therefore, it is not possible to charge the RAV4 from 240 volt outlets such as NEMA 14-50 outlets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Chanin View Post
    The RAV4 EV doesn't have something equivalent to the Model S Universal Mobile Connector. Therefore, it is not possible to charge the RAV4 from 240 volt outlets such as NEMA 14-50 outlets.
    Hi Larry. While I don't know the specifics of the portable chargers the RAV4 EV will come with, I can say others have successfully converted the chargers (Panasonic) that plug-in Toyotas currently use to 240V (low currents thou: 16A? 24A? seems to depend on both wiring obviously but also firmware of charger). The form factor of these chargers is pretty close the UMC (but end up in a J1772 connector)
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    FAQs for RAV4 EV Customers | Leviton Information Exchange
    Leviton offers a 25’ electrical cable with the Level 2 30A and Level 2 40A home charging stations. To optimize the on-board vehicle charger we recommend the Leviton Level 2 (240V) 40A charging station that will the charge time to approximately 5-6 hours while the Level 2 (240V) 30A will take approximately 6.5-8 hours to fully charge on a depleted battery. Customers can begin the installation process in June 2012.
    Only RAV4 EV buyers are eligible for Leviton’s special pricing. RAV EV buyers who visit leviton.com/toyota will be required to register with their Leviton Registration Code*, which is on a certificate that is printed by the dealer. The Leviton Registration Code is a one-time use code for customers.
    RAV4 EV buyers can take advantage of Leviton’s special pricing by registering at leviton.com/toyota. Customers can also learn more about available home charging stations for the RAV4 EV and installation services by visiting leviton.com/toyota or calling 1 855- 5PLUGIN.
    Standard Level 2 (240V) 40A packages start as low as $1590, which includes the Level 2 (240V) 40A home charging station and installation. Level 2 (240V) 30A packages start as low as $1499. Pre-wire installation kit, taxes, shipping and handling, and permitting fees are not included. Prices can vary depending on the customer’s specific installation preferences, site conditions and local permitting requirements.
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