A Sig Perf reservation holder's take away from the conference call

[pguerra]

Hi, I'm #1246 here and awaiting delivery.

I just read every word of the Conference Call that occurred on 25 Jul 2012. Here's my understanding of the conference call and how it relates to my future car and TSLA stock:

1) Facebook photo postings from my friends that eventually make their way to Consumer Reports (a few of them work there) and will laughably show rear seat plastic cup holders that I buy from WalMart and that hang off the rear seat windows in my new $100k+ car will, unfortunately, likely occur. On the Conference Call, Tesla basically said that 98% of the car is done and that only tiny little supplier issues such as pitting of the chrome plating of the door handles and interior trim details are really the final issues that are being perfected and holding up the ramp up in production.

In other words, the front seat, middle console that offers no concealed storage and awkward cup holder positioning (have to practically tear my shoulder rotator cuff to get drink) that I saw at the Mahwah, NJ event would seem to be the one that I'm going to be seeing in my future Model S delivery. Obviously, this same front-seat, middle console does not have fold-out cup holders for rear seat passengers like my Prius elegantly addresses.

Very unfortunate! For my rear seat passengers, it's either going to be cold hands as they are forced to hold their icey, cold drinks in their hands all throughout the drive OR use plastic Walmart window cup holders...

Oh yeah that removable, rear-seat middle console that I sometimes see photos of is not an option for me b/c it takes up precious passenger space and is a strange solution ...like the third row seat of a 90's Dodge Caravan that has to be user removed to make room. I can already see it now as I take 5 passengers to the next destination ("Hang on...I have to remove the rear-seat middle console so you can fit....oh but wait, now where are you going to put your drinks?").

2) TSLA has approx 12200 reservation holders. They seem to be managing their cash flow issues well. All this by with a lot of unpaid marketing vs paid marketing. Demand and word of mouth is strong. Good for them and bravo. They are even considering raising cash solely as a cushion against unforeseen economic issues and/or for R&D purposes - and they don't even have to raise cash. It's just a way of decreasing risk further. Nice. I should probably buy TSLA at a low and ride it up a little pending no EU contagion.

3) Elon is right about the Leaf - Nissan needs to improve on it. For me, this means increasing range. If range had already been increased in the Leaf to EPA 160 miles, I would have purchased it instead of the Model S! BUT acknowledgment of this fact means that Elon really is in touch and has the vision and insight of great CEO b/c he recognizes what the buyers such as myself are thinking. Bravo.

4) Given that 98% of the Model S is already done, it looks like my Hybrid Escalade stock stereo system will continue to blow away the 580 watt Model S stereo and its weak low-range (bass). In my opinion it doesn't even sound like the Model S has a sub-woofer (at least not near as good as my Hybrid Escalade). Very unfortunate!

Overall, although I'm excited about the Model S, my enthusiasm is tempered, and I'm pretty disappointed with the Model S lack of "creature conforts" which by reading other message boards recently seems to also mean no sun visor lights nor rear seat reading lights.

5) If the gov't or Tesla themselves, remove the ability to load up a webpage while driving, I'll be totally anti-Tesla as this would be the last straw. The ability to load up a webpage while driving may sound stupid and dangerous....but not for the passenger riding with me which is what I'm talking about.

Better start stretching out my rotator cuff now so I can get to my coffee....

[bonnie1194]

So are you assuming that what we've seen to-date is the '98% done' version? Or is it possible that more work could have been done on the car in the time between the cars produced for the Get Amped tour and the earnings call?

I have no idea, I have no special insight into what happens at Tesla. It just seems everyone is ready to assume the worst, when sometimes there are other scenarios. But I do know that they've come through for me every time. And there are a lot of other owners who feel the same way.

Hopefully things will be addressed and you'll be posting a followup in this thread.

[pguerra]

So are you assuming that what we've seen to-date is the '98% done' version? Or is it possible that more work could have been done on the car in the time between the cars produced for the Get Amped tour and the earnings call?

I have no idea, I have no special insight into what happens at Tesla. It just seems everyone is ready to assume the worst, when sometimes there are other scenarios. But I do know that they've come through for me every time. And there are a lot of other owners who feel the same way.

Hopefully things will be addressed and you'll be posting a followup in this thread.

Good point! Well, they did state in the Conference Call that they have made about 40 vehicles so far which include some for the Get Amped tour. So yes, I think the cars I saw were part of the 98% done. The one I drove did have the open shelf under the screen which I hear is how final production vehicles are going to be.

Yes, hopefully things will be addressed. The ramp up in production should be occurring around very beginning of Q4 (or end of Q3). So, we'll certainly know from other, lower-number reservation holders first. But plan on more speculation and complete guessing in the message boards prior to the ramp up.

I still have my hopes up for a car that exceeds my expectations and if not, at least one that I'm happy to drive around without having to go to the gas station ever.

[Tommy]

I would be the first to admit that I have been critical of Tesla's interior; however of late I have tempered my remarks and a lot has to do with watching Tesla go about solving issues the "Tesla way". It is akin to the "just in time" part supply so many manufacturers use; in this case Tesla is substituting solutions for parts. At least that's my perception. And thou unorthodox, so far it has served Tesla well and I am ok with that. However, the biggest reason for believing Tesla will "deliver" really is about Tesla management and the employee's of Tesla. Simply put, they are all in and I believe will make the Model S more than we can imagine. When I have had my doubts, and I have had a few, I am reminded of GB's speech at the Fremont event where all he asked of us was a little patience and we would be rewarded. So, in short, I understand the rant but also believe you have that faith in Tesla as well, evidenced by your commitment to purchase the S.

And with regards to the audio system; I have not heard it so really cannot comment other than to say a high quality system will reveal a poor source and really sound bad; conversely reward the listener with excellent sound provided the source is also good.

[ckessel]

I really don't understand the obsession with cup holders. If you're on a long trip it's water bottles with an air tight cap. No one gets open containers of any kind in a car of mine.

Though despite the things you're upset about, sounds like you're buying anyway. Unless the government prevents web page loading, in which case you'll inexplicably be anti-Tesla because of that.

[Velo1]

I really don't understand the obsession with cup holders. If you're on a long trip it's water bottles with an air tight cap. No one gets open containers of any kind in a car of mine.

Though despite the things you're upset about, sounds like you're buying anyway. Unless the government prevents web page loading, in which case you'll inexplicably be anti-Tesla because of that.

I don't care too much about the current cup holders one way or the other; however, they are simply a very poor ergonomic design. I would have hoped Telsa would have recognized this early in the design, but it appears to be lost on them. I think it is that short-sightedness that concerns me. WTF are they thinking? Plus, if you have a drink in the cup holders, where do you put your right arm/elbow now since the drink will be in the way?

[ckessel]

Plus, if you have a drink in the cup holders, where do you put your right arm/elbow now since the drink will be in the way?

Maybe it's a Franz design thing. The RX8's cup holders are exactly the same way.

[gjunky]

I think the issue is that they simply never lived with any form of the car. A lot of time was spent on engineering and this shows but very few people from Tesla seemed to have driven the car for purposes other then testing the ride. The freshly trained people at the Scottsdale store had not driven the car before the drive event even though they just went through training. It looks like this is the case for most employees. With no prior experience in design to fall back on, how would they know about the functionality and every day practicality of the interior? As far as I know, there were no test mules like other manufacturers use to do early testing. This is of course because TM has no other models to use for this purpose. I am curious to find out if there are interior mockups (full size) at their design facility. This would have brought out some of the design flaws (my opinion).
I think the interior looks ok but is not practical in every day use.
I think a redesign/rework of the doors, center console, center armrest could solve all/most of this.

[pguerra]

I don't care too much about the current cup holders one way or the other; however, they are simply a very poor ergonomic design. I would have hoped Telsa would have recognized this early in the design, but it appears to be lost on them. I think it is that short-sightedness that concerns me. WTF are they thinking? Plus, if you have a drink in the cup holders, where do you put your right arm/elbow now since the drink will be in the way?

I agree with you completely. In fact, I'd say that the short sightedness which is concerning has allowed them to over-engineer some items and divert precious resources away from other important things such as rear seat cup holders and a stronger subwoofer (or the addition of a subwoofer whatever the case may be). For example, Tesla spent precious resources to design, engineer, and create a memory function for the rear lift gate. Now you can set the height of how much the rear lift gate opens. Why is this a needed feature?? The Model S is a sleek low profile car, not a tall SUV that may hit the top of the garage if the lift gate is opened completely. It just doesn't seem to make much "real life" sense such as a cup holder or stronger bass (and it shouldn't matter the song or song source BTW. In my Hybrid Escalade all songs have great sounding low range that have a fullness and richness and balanced sound no matter what the song or source and unlike any vehicle I've heard before. This has not been my experience in the Get Amped tour).

Does this engineering short sightnedness have anything to do with those two senior engineers at Tesla that suddenly resigned several months ago???

In the end, yes I have some faith that Tesla will pull through and not disappoint, but it is rapidly waning as I hear of more disappointing missing features such as the lack of lights in the sun visor or rear seat reading lights (who doesn't have to look for items in the back seat at night sometimes?). Do not misunderstand, what Tesla has accomplished is nothing short of extraordinary regarding the drive train and batteries, but I guess such is the case when you're so brilliant, you can forget simple stuff. Sort of like being too book smart and less street smart.

[kendallpb]

Maybe it's a Franz design thing. The RX8's cup holders are exactly the same way.

It all seems better than my Miata, where if I used the factory "cupholder" (a generous use of the term), it interferes with me just sitting there with my arms in a normal position. Thank god for after-market is all I can say (that only interferes with the passenger's left leg). Lordy, Model S owners won't know how good they have it.