Updated - Interior Lighting

[stopcrazypp]

Actually there was one guy who personally attacked me for starting the thread on more than one post. He insinuated my intention was to short the TSLA stock.

If you only recently joined their forum and that was your first thread (or close to it) I wouldn't exactly blame them for being suspicious. TSLA has lots of shorters and if the thread seems like it was mainly posted to initiate a reaction and/or spread discontent for this decision rather than being constructive in getting Tesla to change it (the proper channel would be to contact your customer advocate, Tesla monitors the forums intermittently but I don't think they take reactions from forum posters as seriously as comments reflected through customer advocates), it would seem very suspicious because that is usually a sign of astroturfing. Astroturfing is very popular nowadays. I can't really judge without looking at the thread first (assuming it wasn't deleted already).

[ddruz]

As promised, I contacted my rep at Tesla asking for confirmation whether the mirrors on the sun visors are still present. I told him I'd post his answer on the forum which was "please feel free to confirm that the mirrors under the sun visors have not been removed." This was the same rep I quoted to start off this thread. He confirmed that it was only LED lighting that had been removed. However, Tesla is so responsive to their clients that I personally believe that if enough people courteously contact their Tesla reps requesting that the LED lighting be reinstated that it will be seriously considered.

[jimbakker666]

I started the thread regarding deletion of vanity mirrors on TM Forums but now I am not being allowed to post there and boy I have been lambasted by some of their employees acting as regular forum posters for criticizing the decision to delete the features with some personal attacks by a couple of them! I guess they don't want any criticism of their decisions at this stage.

As stopcrazypp mentioned, I don't think these would be Tesla employees. I would bet it's 'fanboys' who are outraged that you dared criticized Tesla, which sucks because it stifles legit criticism (which in my opinion is always a plus).

[jimbakker666]

I think this is the issue that is striking most people in the heart.

No one single amenity deficiency is driving people away from this car (at least I don't see it that way). It is the lack of several basic amenities that are fairly standard on many vehicles that are 1/4 the price that is forcing people to reconsider.

I don't think Tesla has to worry about capturing the EV crazed market. They'll get those. They need to get people who wouldn't have considered an EV either because they don't know about them or they feel EVs aren't as good as ICE vehicles. If the average person sat in a Model S and was asked to pay $85,000 for it, they wouldn't. I still believe they wouldn't even after test driving it and hearing lecture upon lecture about how advanced it is and how much better it is for the environment.

I agree nearly completely, except that I'm not sure at this point that they'll even capture all of the EV-crazed market because the cost of the vehicle is too high. They've positioned themselves in a strange demographic, and at least to me they seem to have marketed themselves as the answer to 'everything ICE' which opens them up to a lot of valid criticism. They're not going to get the everyday luxury market without the bells and whistles, and they're not going to get the stretch-to-own and commuter market with their expensive annual maintenance and tire replacement. 'Thrilling to drive' only goes so far.

Personally, I think if the fanatics continue shouting people down for critiquing them, Tesla is going to have a lot of cancelled reservations when issues (like the vanity mirror thing) aren't resolved in the final copy and journalists get ahold of it for a full review. I hope that's not the case, because I want them to succeed so I can own one down the road. But people paying upwards of $100k for a vehicle have certain expectations, not only from the vehicle but from the company itself.

[SCW-Greg]

... He confirmed that it was only LED lighting that had been removed. However, Tesla is so responsive to their clients that I personally believe that if enough people courteously contact their Tesla reps requesting that the LED lighting be reinstated that it will be seriously considered.

I believe ddruz has it correct here.

Very typical phenomena going on in this long thread... lack of timely communication to a concern someone has, with just a bit of time to stew about it in the void, and the mind descends in to the worst case scenarios in no time. Happens with people being suspicious of others (cheating, demotions, etc), or hearing someone went to the hospital, and the next thing you know, you start thinking the worst outcomes. Human nature. The challenge for Tesla will be in managing these concerns, quickly... as well as avoid them in the first place.

I try to temper all my responses on hearsay (business and personal) until I've learned from official (public) sources.

Of course for those of you who about to lock down on your design any day now... I feel your pressing concern. I have the luxury of time with my reservation.

[Super Gizmo]

I believe ddruz has it correct here.

Very typical phenomena going on in this long thread... lack of timely communication to a concern someone has, with just a bit of time to stew about it in the void, and the mind descends in to the worst case scenarios in no time. Happens with people being suspicious of others (cheating, demotions, etc), or hearing someone went to the hospital, and the next thing you know, you start thinking the worst outcomes. Human nature. The challenge for Tesla will be in managing these concerns, quickly... as well as avoid them in the first place.

I try to temper all my responses on hearsay (business and personal) until I've learned from official (public) sources.

Of course for those of you who about to lock down on your design any day now... I feel your pressing concern. I have the luxury of time with my reservation.

Unfortunately we don't have that luxury and have to commit to an expensive over $100K car without firm answers very soon. I spoke to three different customer advocates since yesterday and on each occasion I was put on a short hold and then informed that there will be mirrors without lights but there was no chance of their changing back to installing any lights over the mirrors. So now we have to decide if my holding a flashlight in the dark on my wife's face will work. Sounds really absurd doesn't it that we should have to resort to this.

[bonnie1194]

I believe there are still interior lights.

[AndyM]

I believe there are still interior lights.

A new demographic...
Thousands of randy teenagers are thinking "So, you're saying this car has NO lights in the back seat?!"

[gmontem]

I believe there are still interior lights.

I doubt a couple of lights meant to light up the floor will do justice, especially with black leather/cloth seats.

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[bonnie1194]

I've had all black interiors (and on the Roadster) and I lose stuff in there all the time. My BMW had a vanity mirror light and it didn't help light up the interior one little bit . (And it had flimsy excuses for cupholders in the front only and it was a GREAT car.)

Seriously, we don't know about the lighting. That's why I said 'I believe'.

Before, everyone was upset over the shade. Then the center console. Now this. I believe, no ... I KNOW I'll be relieved when cars start shipping.