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    EV Myths & Realities

    Check out this article at Seeking Alpha..
    EV Myths & Realities, Part 3A: TCO And Kicking The Subsidy - Seeking Alpha
    Music to my ears as I anxiously await my MSP!!
    PLEASE NOTE: These musings are the copyrighted intellectual property of the author, and are intended as part of a conversation among the Tesla Motors Clubs membership. My words may not be quoted by any third party outside the Tesla Motors Clubs forums, without my expressed consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslasguy View Post
    Check out this article at Seeking Alpha..
    EV Myths & Realities, Part 3A: TCO And Kicking The Subsidy - Seeking Alpha
    Music to my ears as I anxiously await my MSP!!
    "...What really surprised me is just what a bargain the S85Performance is compared to its equivalents. I think some skeptics perhaps don't appreciated the company this cars specs place it in - it's a full size luxury sedan that pulls 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. It's as fast as a Porsche Panamera GTS ($111,000 base) or a BMW M5 ($89,900 base). It's as fast as a Mercedes CLS AMG ($95,900 base). It's as fast as a 911 Carrera GTS ($103,100 base), and Porsche sold more than 6,000 of the 911 series in the USA in 2011. ... Not only is the S85P $11,000 cheaper than the 911 up front, it also saves a massive $16,000 in energy costs over an 8 year life (assuming a higher mileage driving profile of 20,000/yr). And it seats 5 in comfort. The energy savings compared to the very thirsty (18MPG) M5, shown in the table above, are even larger. ... there's been a lot of talk lately about when Tesla might reveal their Gen III platform, an affordable electric sedan "to go toe-to-toe with the BMW 3 series" (in the words of a journalist whose name has faded from my memory, but whose quote remained). I smile as it seems Tesla has already done so - it's called Model S. Buyers appear to have realized this, hence the large (and growing) reservation list."

    VERY interesting article. It just confirms what I had suspected all along..

    Thanks for the heads-up, teslaguy!

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    Not to take away from your point, but the M5 is 0-60 in 3.7. We can compete with M3s though

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    Quote Originally Posted by contaygious View Post
    Not to take away from your point, but the M5 is 0-60 in 3.7. We can compete with M3s though
    Unless of course you look at the 5-60 which is 4.6s for the M5!

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    I like how he takes jabs at John Petersen with his comments about losing money in buying Axion shares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contaygious View Post
    Not to take away from your point, but the M5 is 0-60 in 3.7. We can compete with M3s though
    if you can do that with it ... Model S will be under 4.4 in reality. (my opinion, and definitely backed by some. + they could push it a little harder with firmware to kill the M5 if needed)


    I think it was at 4.4 with my 4 passengers

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    Yeah that would be sweet! There are quite a few sedans faster than us for under the price so I will try not to stress it too much though: CTS, Mercs, etc.

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    Simplicity

    For simplicity when considering cost I simply compare

    {ICEV or HEV cost per mile}

    to

    {BEV electricity cost per mile} + {BEV battery cost per mile}

    Once the 2nd is close to the first PHEV and BEV will begin to take over.

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    Great article. I would add extra emphasis on; what price are you willing to pay to get off (foreign) oil? What price are you willing to pay to drop CO2? What price are you willing to pay to help disrupt the ICE industry? What price for silence? etc. You add all that up, and this car is a bargain.

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    "Ramon" has a rare double appearance in the comments. He must be desperate.

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