Refuting Claims of other Manufactures

vfx · Jul 3, 2012

Now That Tesla is a real car company with two products it's time for other manufactures to stop ignoring them in marketing claims.

When you see these post them here.

Lets start with this one.

Meet America's Most Fuel-Efficient Car Company.
Our commitment to fuel economy leadership is making significant progress. Based on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) 2011 trend study, Hyundai is America's most fuel-efficient car company.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/about-hyundai/news/Corporate_50_MPG-20100804.aspx

Lloyd · Jul 3, 2012

Since when is Hyundai an american car company also?

jerry33 · Jul 3, 2012

Ghosn said it best: "Every day they don't start is a good day for Tesla". Well, okay he said Nissan, but the point is clear. As long as the other manufacturers don't recognize Tesla as competition, they won't be actively working on any similar products.

Discoducky · Jul 3, 2012

jerry33 said:
Ghosn said it best: "Every day they don't start is a good day for Tesla". Well, okay he said Nissan, but the point is clear. As long as the other manufacturers don't recognize Tesla as competition, they won't be actively working on any similar products.

Agreed, sneak attack! But I'd bet that we'll see more of this. I'm guessing here, but couldn't TM make the below claims?

0. 100% of all vehicles designed and built in USA
1. Most fuel efficient car company in USA
2. Highest % of parts designed and manufactured in USA
3. Lowest carbon footprint factory in USA

jerry33 · Jul 3, 2012

Discoducky said:
I'm guessing here, but couldn't TM make the below claims?[/QUOTE

0. 100% of all vehicles designed and built in USA ---> This one is certainly valid.

1. Most fuel efficient car company in USA ---> This one depends on how you measure fuel efficiency. If you use the EPA numbers as a measure...

2. Highest % of parts designed and manufactured in USA ---> Needs research. Toyota's North American plants have a very high percentage of U.S. parts.

3. Lowest carbon footprint factory in USA ---> Needs research. Also is this for the plant or per car produced? It's pretty obvious that a factory that makes 200,000 cars is almost certainly going to have a larger carbon footprint than one that makes 20,000. Toyota's plants have zero landfill (which I know isn't the same thing).

Robert.Boston · Jul 3, 2012

My letter to Hyundai:

to consumeraffairs

A recent press release asserted:

MOST FUEL-EFFICIENT AUTOMAKER IN AMERICA, HYUNDAI, SAYS LINEUP TO AVERAGE MINIMUM 50 MPG BY 2025

Leaving aside the loose interpretation of "in America," this statement is demonstrably false. Tesla Motors is the most fuel-efficient automaker in America, with a fleet average 89 MPGe. I know, you're thinking "Tesla Motors is just a little startup!" While that's true, it is a publicly traded corporation with the sole business of making automobiles and automotive power trains, so your categorical statement is simply false and misleading advertising.

Please correct this on your website or I will bring this false claim to the attention of the states' attorneys general.

Kind regards,

Doug_G · Jul 3, 2012

Tesla cars aren't all that American made either. Just think of all those Panasonic cells, Mercedes parts, etc. in fact it is questionable as to whether it will qualify as "made in USA" for the purposes of impoting into Canada (50% content under NAFTA rules).

Jeeps17 · Jul 3, 2012

Doug_G said:
...in fact it is questionable as to whether it will qualify as "made in USA" for the purposes of impoting into Canada (50% content under NAFTA rules).

Fingers crossed.
Toes crossed.
Eyes crossed.
Hair braided (my daughter's, but whatever works!)

jimbakker666 · Jul 3, 2012

Robert.Boston said:
My letter to Hyundai:

Lol Robert I like how you handle things. BS needs to be called out!

Teslawisher · Jul 3, 2012

Was this disclaimer on the site last time?

"America's most fuel-efficient car company claim based on fleetwide model year 2010 manufacturer data from the EPA Light-Duty Automotive Technology, Carbon Dioxide Emissions and Fuel Economy Trends: 1975-2011 Report. 2012 Accent 30 City/40 Hwy. 2012 Elantra 29 City/40 Hwy. 2011 Sonata Hybrid 35 City/40 Hwy. 2012 Veloster M/T 28 City/40 Hwy. EPA Estimates. Actual mileage may vary.."

Green Electric Cars | Eco-Friendly Vehicles| Hyundai

vfx · Jul 3, 2012

So the should say, "MOST FUEL-EFFICIENT AUTOMAKER IN AMERICA, WAY BACK IN 2010."

Jason S · Jul 3, 2012

Hyundai's claim sounds more impressive than the other way of saying it: "We sell more cars with tiny engines than any other major manufacturer!"

VolkerP · Jul 4, 2012

That other claim should go to Fichtel & Sachs :biggrin:

strider · Jul 5, 2012

Doug_G said:
Tesla cars aren't all that American made either. Just think of all those Panasonic cells, Mercedes parts, etc. in fact it is questionable as to whether it will qualify as "made in USA" for the purposes of impoting into Canada (50% content under NAFTA rules).

Is that by part count or by weight? The entire body and drivetrain are made in USA. I suspect the interior as well (seats, etc.) but not the controls since they are MB.

rolosrevenge · Jul 5, 2012

strider said:
Is that by part count or by weight? The entire body and drivetrain are made in USA. I suspect the interior as well (seats, etc.) but not the controls since they are MB.

According to the Motor Trend article, Tesla makes 95% of Model S in house.

Doug_G · Jul 6, 2012

rolosrevenge said:
According to the Motor Trend article, Tesla makes 95% of Model S in house.

Ignoring the Panasonic cells, which account for a substantial portion of the cost of the vehicle.

KBF · Jul 8, 2012

strider said:
Is that by part count or by weight? The entire body and drivetrain are made in USA. I suspect the interior as well (seats, etc.) but not the controls since they are MB.

I'm not totally sure about the duty laws, but I think it may have to do with % of cost. So the batteries may tip the scale, although labor is all US so that may help balance it. I know this is the case for a "product of Canada" label - I recently saw sliced pineapples in the store with the "Product of Canada" label (with a disclaimer sticker that said, "made from imported ingredients"). Duties on the S would really be ridiculous since so much is actually made in the USA.

jerry33 · Jul 8, 2012

KBF said:
I'm not totally sure about the duty laws, but I think it may have to do with % of cost. So the batteries may tip the scale, although labor is all US so that may help balance it. I know this is the case for a "product of Canada" label - I recently saw sliced pineapples in the store with the "Product of Canada" label (with a disclaimer sticker that said, "made from imported ingredients"). Duties on the S would really be ridiculous since so much is actually made in the USA.

I would think that the assembly of the battery pack, including all the liquid cooling, would account for a fair percentage of the battery pack's cost. It's not like the batteries are just put in and then liquid is pumped in between the cells to fill the space (I hope).

Robert.Boston · Jul 8, 2012

Teslawisher said:
Was this disclaimer on the site last time?
Green Electric Cars | Eco-Friendly Vehicles| Hyundai

No, the disclaimer is new. So, perhaps my letter had the desired effect.

Doug_G · Jul 8, 2012

KBF said:
I'm not totally sure about the duty laws, but I think it may have to do with % of cost.

Yes, it seems the rules are base on inputs, not on percentage of the final price.

Suppose you make a gadget, based on $25,000 of imported parts. You add in $15,000 worth of locally-sourced parts and labour, producing a product that sells for $100,000. Clearly the foreign content is only 25% of the selling price, but it's more than half of the total inputs used to make the product.

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