Get Amped Tour: Chicago, 7/26 - 7/28

[Kipernicus]

I also found that the driver side mirror does not adjust far enough out to cover the 7 to 9 o’clock area.

I had the same problem.
Great review, btw.

[MikeK]

Don't have them together in the same picture, but do have them in the same position and light. These pictures are color corrected using an 18% grey card, so if you have a calibrated monitor, they should be pretty close to actual colors.

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Grey
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Okay, just want to be extra double sure that the blue there is really blue, and not black. Because it sure looks black in the picture! Also, the blue car in Palo Alto had the 19" wheels.

Do you, by any chance, have larger copies that you'd be willing to share? PM me if you don't want to post.

Thanks!

[Longhorn92]

Okay, just want to be extra double sure that the blue there is really blue, and not black. Because it sure looks black in the picture! Also, the blue car in Palo Alto had the 19" wheels.

Do you, by any chance, have larger copies that you'd be willing to share? PM me if you don't want to post.

Thanks!

Believe it or not, yes, that is the blue car. At that time, I was on the shade side of the cars, and the blue is definitely dark (will look similar to black when out of bright sunshine). All four cars had the 21" wheels on Saturday (three silver, one grey set).

I will PM you the larger pictures, including a few more that might be useful, when I get home tonight (have a client dinner, so it will be late). I also have a picture from a similar vantage point of both the blue and black together, and at first glance, it is hard to tell them apart.

[kevincwelch]

J in MN:

Thanks for that excellent review.

[J in MN]

What did you use to capture the acceleration data?
Do you think the acceleration graph was affected by the test drive car's software limit of 75 (80?) mph?

I used the free version of g-tac on the iPhone (App Store - g-tac free). The accelerometer on the iPhone is very noisy, so the app uses a low pass filter with a long time constant to filter it. That unfortunately takes away some of the precision and responsiveness, but it gets the job done.

I don't think the speed limit affected anything - I only accelerated up to 65 mph.

I had been told by a rep that the speed increments are selectable at +/- 1, or +/- 5mph.

I checked the Mercedes Benz manual just now and it seems that there is an extra up and down detent on the stalk that will do +/- 5 mph or +/- 10 km/h. Wish I knew that ahead of time.

I would have reached different conclusions, because my expectations and scenario are different from yours

As I said in the introduction, I tried to focus on the things that haven't been discussed much by other reviewers, so please don't think that I will make my final conclusions and decision on these items alone.

I couldn't find anything referencing, 3 seconds, but I did find that the Model S does indeed have brake override...

Thank you for that reference. I read it when it was first discovered, but have forgotten about it. I included it in my inquiry to Tesla.

Probably a good idea to let the Tesla employee know if you're going to be doing an emergency stop or brake override test.

I did, but I don't think he knew what it meant or what to expect. And since I expected a completely different outcome, I did not think it necessary to explain further. Next time.

Okay, just want to be extra double sure that the blue there is really blue, and not black. Because it sure looks black in the picture!

My wife was dead set on getting the blue (her favourite colour), but after the third time identifying the blue as black, she agreed that we should consider something else. Now we are wrestling between Pearl White (her) and Brown (me). Unfortunately she has a negative association with brown due to her work in the medical field...

[AndyM]

Thanks for the reply, J! And for the reasoned thought. I think I understood your use of "conclusions" correctly, and meant it the same in return.
If I read one more thread that drags on the cup-holder issue, I might explode.

[MikeK]

Believe it or not, yes, that is the blue car. At that time, I was on the shade side of the cars, and the blue is definitely dark (will look similar to black when out of bright sunshine). All four cars had the 21" wheels on Saturday (three silver, one grey set).

Yeah, that's the blue. Zowie. I know it's dark but that really drives it home! Thanks for the pix.

My wife was dead set on getting the blue (her favourite colour), but after the third time identifying the blue as black, she agreed that we should consider something else. Now we are wrestling between Pearl White (her) and Brown (me). Unfortunately she has a negative association with brown due to her work in the medical field...

Yeah, I wish that there was an option for a brighter blue, like BMW's "Estoril Blue". I bet some brighter colors will come in later years, with Sunset Red being the first. I still like the current blue, because I think the car is pretty in black, and to me, because the blue is metallic, when you mis-read it as black, it looks like a richer black than the actual black.

[Norbert]

I did, but I don't think he knew what it meant or what to expect. And since I expected a completely different outcome, I did not think it necessary to explain further. Next time.

Although I knew the Model S lets the brake take precedence over the accelerator, I didn't even understand your test report (though I admit reading it with little time). I thought you were complaining plainly about the brake force depending on speed, and found that slightly disturbing but very unlikely to be anything else than pilot error or exagerration. In fact, I'd like to suggest you edit your previous post to clarify this for all those who are not as familiar with the expression "brake override".

On the issue itself, without being an expert on this matter at all, I'd think the power to the accelerator should always immediately be cut off, except in so far as it would make the car go backwards on a hill when the brake force isn't sufficient to prevent that (because you are letting go of the brake). But there might be many other factors playing into this which I don't know about.

[Larry Chanin]

Although I knew the Model S lets the brake take precedence over the accelerator, I didn't even understand your test report (though I admit reading it with little time). I thought you were complaining plainly about the brake force depending on speed, and found that slightly disturbing but very unlikely to be anything else than pilot error or exagerration. In fact, I'd like to suggest you edit your previous post to clarify this for all those who are not as familiar with the expression "brake override".

Agreed it was difficult to ascertain what the poster was trying to convey. The poster should describe that he was using two feet to perform this test, assuming that's what he did.

Excellent review nevertheless.

Larry

[J in MN]

The poster should describe that he was using two feet to perform this test, assuming that's what he did.

Does this help? "In order to simulate stopping the car with a stuck accelerator, my usual test procedure is to start by flooring the accelerator with my right foot, accelerate to 100 km/h and then apply the brakes firmly with my left foot while holding the accelerator down. "

Excellent review nevertheless.

Thank you . Sorry that I could not get the noise measurement(s) done.