$7500 tax credit debate/discussion

[DavidM]

One thing that nobody mentioned yet on this thread. I would not assume that the $7,500 credit will be available to customers who take delivery in 2013. Right now, we know for sure that it is available for purchases in 2012. But 2013 is not guarantee. It's an election year too, and the challenger's pick for energy advisor is a billionaire oil man. Draw your own conclusions.

[kevincwelch]

Yes, they could. They could also make rich people pay their fair share of tax. They could require that employers pay workers enough to live on. But Congresspeople are wealthy, or else in debt to the wealthy for their campaign money. So they don't want to help the poor. They want to help the rich. People in government are not stupid or inept. They are doing what benefits themselves and their backers.

We're lucky they're doing anything for EVs at all. The next administration probably won't.

I pay 1/3 of my income in the form of taxes. My taxes on my home are criminal. I pay my "fair" share.

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[jerry33]

Have been concerned about losing out on the federal tax credit if a regime change occurs in November (i.e. a Republican sweep of the House, Senate and the White House). I wonder if that tax credit repeal, if it happens, will be retroactive to cars purchased earlier in 2013 before the law passed.

My guess is that they will keep the credit intact and take the credit for it.

[brianman]

My guess is that they will keep the credit intact and take the credit for it.

Well that's a double-edged sword, now isn't it?

If they cancel the credit, they get the blame.
If they retain the credit, they get no credit.

Double standard?

[SByer]

Sure, the gas and oil company subsidies need to be eliminated. Doing that overnight would be a horrendous wrench in the economy; and here is where governments have a particular skill set (that they just seem to consistently fail to exercise) - think long term and smooth these thing out over 5-10 years. We should have started doing that with gas and oil 40 years ago <<insert Jon Stewart video link here>>.

As for education, while I think a 'good' education through college should be free, it should at least be through a voucher system (as should grade school education), and should not completely cover the most expensive schools. There needs to be some skin from those getting the vouchers to ensure they are actually utilized. But certainly, that can't be worse than the current union-controlled no-performance-measured centrally controlled system that, even then, still doesn't have enough power to prevent the intelligent design wackos from dumbing down the science textbooks. That's the trick, isn't it? Provide the best opportunity for equality and self-starters possible while minimizing potential abuses of the system (I consider the anti-science bent in the school systems in some parts of the country - hi Texas! - as abuse).


On topic:
I estimate based on average car mileage (25mpg), the subsidy per gallon (~>$4/gal), and the typical miles driven per year (12-15k), the EV subsidy gets 'used up' in about 3-4 years. I'm near or past the 'no subsidy' point, so don't tell me how EVs are subsidized!

[jerry33]

Double standard?

We're talking politicians here.

[brianman]

We're talking politicians here.

Actually I meant the forum posts (perhaps it was a mixture of people rather than just one person).

I was hearing "it's their fault if they repeal it" as well as "they shouldn't take credit if they don't repeal it". To be consistent, you can't have it both ways.

[jerry33]

Actually I meant the forum posts (perhaps it was a mixture of people rather than just one person).

I was hearing "it's their fault if they repeal it" as well as "they shouldn't take credit if they don't repeal it". To be consistent, you can't have it both ways.

I still say: We're talking politicians here. Consistency isn't in any politician's vocabulary (campaign contributions excepted--they are pretty consistent about wanting those).

[brianman]

I still say: We're talking politicians here. Consistency isn't in any politician's vocabulary (campaign contributions excepted--they are pretty consistent about wanting those).

Again, I'm talking about the public (in this case the forum) not the politicians. My point was simply that no matter what they do, the ideological opponents spin it.

[daniel]

I still say: We're talking politicians here. Consistency isn't in any politician's vocabulary (campaign contributions excepted--they are pretty consistent about wanting those).

The greed of politicians is as eternal as death and taxes.