+1 Except I'd rather have disk wheels (that is, the wheels are a solid disk) rather than turbine wheels.Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
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I am already ordering the Performance version and keeping the 21s.
I am already ordering the Performance version and I would take the credit for the downgrade.
I would order the Performance version only if I get credit for the downgrade to 19s.
I am already ordering the Standard version and keeping my order unchanged.
+1 Except I'd rather have disk wheels (that is, the wheels are a solid disk) rather than turbine wheels.
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It would be nice to have a 20" wheel option with a -40 profile. I believe the diameter would be very similar.
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Yeah, I tried looking at aftermarket 20" wheels here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...l=1#post172572
I think 20" would be a good compromise between the 21" and 19" wheel options we have today. At least for Northern Californians who don't get (much) snow, but do have lousy roads to deal with.
Bluetinc, did you ever receive any additional feedback from TM on this topic? I was reminded of this thread as I walked by my neighbor's new A7 with 20" low-profile rims and tires, and saw the left rear tire completely blown out, and a big gouge out of the right rear rubber. And this in summertime, the "low season" for potholes here in Pennsylvania!
My configuration email will be arriving soon, and I *really* would like to select a performance model with 19" wheels, but the simple unfairness of paying $3500 for something I am not receiving will preclude me from going performance. I have got to think that many Northeast buyers will be in the same boat.
Given how many times this has been discussed, I really wonder why George B doesn't weigh in like he did on the Canadian pricing issue, or why they don't simply offer some other solution...like a credit for the downgrade, applicable only to other options and not to base price, or a performance-exclusive 19" turbine wheel. Just something to remove that feeling of being done an injustice, in being forced to pay for something you don't get...a feeling so utterly out of line with the rest of the Tesla experience. I keep checking the Pricing/Specs and the Design Studio for last minute changes, given how GB explained how they were keeping this up-to-date with current production realities...but no luck so far.
Yea, same hesitation here. I know it's been discussed endlessly, but having gotten my config email the 19" tire credit is the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on the Perf.
You've got that right! 245/35/21 has a diameter of 27.75". 245/40/20 has a diameter of 27.72". A difference of only .03 inches!
And at 20" you get about 5X more choices on Tire Rack vs. 21".
There must be a reason for 21. Maybe they signed a deal with the tire company?
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Hi Jake,
I have not received any additional feedback, but I neither asked for any or expected it. I both had a long conversation with the correct person from Tesla in person, and traded a number of emails with them about this while providing my summary and my data about this. We also discussed this particular thread and the views of Tesla customers. Tesla clearly understands that some of us are not happy with the current setup, and why.
While I fully believe that it would benefit Tesla if they change their current policy with regards to this, can I play devils advocate for a second? There are other manufacturers out there, that when you purchase the performance package version from them you only get a version with performance tires and that's that. Tesla has added the option for us to swap to other, sometimes more useful, wheels/tires. (And it's in fact this option that now yields the heartburn) Perhaps Tesla would in some ways be better off not offering the option to swap sizes down to 19" All Seasons?
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Actually I have been doing the same type of analysis on this situation, trying to see Tesla's point of view. The buyer's problem is of course caused by the *perceived* loss of $3500 in value, because that is what the upgrade charge from 19" to 21" would be on a standard. If there were no upgrade charge, we would have absolutely no issue. But consider this further. Is the incremental cost of the 21" wheels and performance tires actually $3500 *more* than the cost of 19" wheels and standard tires? I seriously doubt it. But Tesla might have priced the upgrade this way as a punitive cost or dis-incentive for people to order a standard with Perf style wheels *instead* of buying a Perf. So perhaps they decided to price these wheels at almost 1/3 of the total Perf difference for this reason...but there is not actually that much of a cost delta, which is why there is no downgrade credit for any amount. Who knows, perhaps the 21" wheels were originally reserved for Sigs early on in the marketing concept, and that generated the desire for exclusivity on these wheels, and hence the additional price (if not actual cost).
This theory may be way off base, but it is helping me cope with the perceived unfairness in the pricing.
But do I ever wish there was a 19" turbine wheel nonetheless.
JakeP,
While it doesn't answer the question of internal costing for the wheels and the tires, the wheel pricing that has been released for purchasing winter sets and or replacement wheels follows the same cost delta. A set of 19"s = ~ 1000 + 700 =~1700 and a set of the 21's = $5,200 which just happens to be exactly the $3,500...
19" turbines would have been nice....
Peter
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