I think I may have finally got Peterson and out thought him and exposed him- I don't think he has any logic left- his logic has so many holes you can drive a freight train through it. His last comment was about how we do not have enough resources to give to everyone to make e-bikes, EVs, washing machines, etc, etc, and my response was :
"What you are suggesting is a resource limited economy. The caveat to that is that people's ingenuity usually prevails in a resource limited economy and they find uses for other materials which they would not have found viable before. The good part about the batteries in EVs is that their are a few types of competing chemistries, some phospahte polymer bases, some titanium, some cobalt, some nickel and who knows what else. The point is that if people start grabbing the material to make one not economically viable, you can use another one, and so on and so forth.
I'll give you an example in another industry- Soda, specifically Coke and Pepsi, sugar became too expensive so the used HFCS, now sugar is coming down so they are using sugar, if both went up in price, they would use another sweetner. Pepsi is not going to go bankrupt or stop making products because the Chinese started freebasing sugar or they started using HFCS on a massive scale. Corn is limited from a land perspective, ideal land to grow sugar is limited. Same argument can be made. A hundred asians who develop a taste for sugar smacks is NOT going to affect my need for a soda, worse comes to worse, they change the formulation and get it to taste similar to the old way."
I should have added that there is only enough sugar to supply every man, woman, and child on earth with enough calories for 48 days and change if it was only used to "feed" people, and no waste, or provide 13% with enough calories for a year's worth of calories (assuming it's not used or wasted for other purposes) and that worldwide copper production would be able to provide enough copper (excluding recycled copper) to provide enough for EVs 5% of the world's population/year or 10% of compact cars (using JPs numbers)- if you factor in the percentage of people who actually drive it pushes the numbers to 8.2% of the world population that could get NEW EVs per year (or around 573 million new EVs). The real number of new regular cars sold each year is around 60 Million.
"What you are suggesting is a resource limited economy. The caveat to that is that people's ingenuity usually prevails in a resource limited economy and they find uses for other materials which they would not have found viable before. The good part about the batteries in EVs is that their are a few types of competing chemistries, some phospahte polymer bases, some titanium, some cobalt, some nickel and who knows what else. The point is that if people start grabbing the material to make one not economically viable, you can use another one, and so on and so forth.
I'll give you an example in another industry- Soda, specifically Coke and Pepsi, sugar became too expensive so the used HFCS, now sugar is coming down so they are using sugar, if both went up in price, they would use another sweetner. Pepsi is not going to go bankrupt or stop making products because the Chinese started freebasing sugar or they started using HFCS on a massive scale. Corn is limited from a land perspective, ideal land to grow sugar is limited. Same argument can be made. A hundred asians who develop a taste for sugar smacks is NOT going to affect my need for a soda, worse comes to worse, they change the formulation and get it to taste similar to the old way."
I should have added that there is only enough sugar to supply every man, woman, and child on earth with enough calories for 48 days and change if it was only used to "feed" people, and no waste, or provide 13% with enough calories for a year's worth of calories (assuming it's not used or wasted for other purposes) and that worldwide copper production would be able to provide enough copper (excluding recycled copper) to provide enough for EVs 5% of the world's population/year or 10% of compact cars (using JPs numbers)- if you factor in the percentage of people who actually drive it pushes the numbers to 8.2% of the world population that could get NEW EVs per year (or around 573 million new EVs). The real number of new regular cars sold each year is around 60 Million.
