I presume he meant that he wouldn't drive a $100k plug-in hybrid that has poor efficiency both on the plug and the engine.Originally Posted by mattjs33
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I presume he meant that he wouldn't drive a $100k plug-in hybrid that has poor efficiency both on the plug and the engine.
My "true environmentalist" friends aren't even on the grid....
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Fair enough.
Or clothes.
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Latest video from Brian, the Karma owner who did that review. Some of the math is not quite right, but judge for yourself:
Thanks for the video link, SoCalGuy.
One thing I wish he went into in the video is to evaluate how the Karma does when you run out of juice (i.e. how the pollution and economical efficiency fares in guzzler mode).
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Come to Humboldt!!!!
there is a mix of loggers/growers/environmentalists/environmental growers /redneck loggers/ envir..well that's about it.. oh, and tweakers and crazy F-ers.
and NO FISKERS
but 1 Roadster and 2 S reservations I'm aware of (1 is a grower of sorts, I think + mine)
Very interesting. I really like the conclusion :
- I prefer to generate CO2 over a plant than near my house.
- I prefer to give my money to a US miner than a petrol king.
(except that I'm french and my money will go to a french nuclear ingenior instead of a US miner ^^ )
526.7 / 0.9 = 585.22, not 579 something.
I also wonder if his handwave of carbon footprint for extracting oil from 2 miles under the ocean, shipping it, processing it is really the same as extracting natural gas's extraction, shipping, and processing, or coal for that matter.
I'm also concerned that we talk about CO2 footprint without talking about actual pollutants. Isn't coal pollution nastier than natural gas?
His ability to charge at home during the afternoon is relatively unique - most people drive to work. Maybe that's why the Karma's limited EV range doesn't phase him? With a 42 mile round trip commute, I'd be at the cusp of using gas every day, definitely if I ran errands on the way home, and definitely as the range decreases from 40 miles to 36 miles. Of course, as I tend to be a hot-foot, some (minor?) additional gas usage there as well.
One question I have is that if, say 20% of a Karma's mileage was gas only (trips to Tahoe, etc.), then wouldn't that mean the battery life would be more like 120K miles than 100K miles? That is, you really only want to count the miles driven on the battery, not on the ICE in figuring out degradation.
I believe you're substituting air pollution for ground water pollution. Kind of like switching from heroin to meth.
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