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Thread: Europe: Future Charging for Model S 1-phase or 3-phase? (Part 2)

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    Model S R231 EU widodh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by linaser View Post
    Yes, but there already is a box -> see lower left at this picture:

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    No, that is a portable EVSE, it emulates an EVSE signal for the car so that it will charge.

    When you plug into a real EVSE stations there is no need for a such a in-cable box.

    Quote Originally Posted by linaser View Post
    Ok, to stettle this: here's my "world connector"

    And it's downwards compatible (at least in parts)...

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    That will work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by linaser View Post
    Yes, but there already is a box -> see lower left at this picture:

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    You only need this "box" when connecting the car to the 'dumb' wall socket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Sharpe View Post
    You only need this "box" when connecting the car to the 'dumb' wall socket.

    Quote Originally Posted by widodh View Post
    No, that is a portable EVSE, it emulates an EVSE signal for the car so that it will charge. When you plug into a real EVSE stations there is no need for a such a in-cable box.

    Ok, I think, now I get it.

    Thanks a lot for your comments.

    I'm really excited to see, which way TM will go and what kind of connector we'll get for 3 phase charging.

    edit: some typos

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    hmm

    just talked to the scandinavian sales manager today
    and Tesla's understanding of supporting 3 phase is not the same as oures
    what I understod is that model S can connect to 3 phase but will not utilice all 3 phase
    if we are lucky it can use 2 phases but not all 3
    but where that is legal or will cause problem as there is no neutral I do not know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post
    just talked to the scandinavian sales manager today
    and Tesla's understanding of supporting 3 phase is not the same as oures
    what I understod is that model S can connect to 3 phase but will not utilice all 3 phase
    if we are lucky it can use 2 phases but not all 3
    but where that is legal or will cause problem as there is no neutral I do not know
    I so hope the sales manager is wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Sharpe View Post
    I so hope the sales manager is wrong
    It´s the same story I´ve been hearing for quit some while from that guy.

    He thinks that just having a Type 2 connector is the same as having 3 phase support.

    I however think that my letter made it clear to Tesla, so I´m still convinced we´ll get true three phase support with the Model S, we just have to be patient.
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    Interesting that Tesla has started delivery without resolving this issue first. That only tells me that it is not very important to them. So what would happen if, for example, VIN#10 was sold to Europe?

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    All deliveries now are USA only. The first EU cars should be delivered starting dec 2012, so there should be some time for Tesla to work out the 3-phase charging.

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    Tesla will not get the full homologation without a certified connector. There is no change to get mono phase with more then 20A.
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    I still think Tesla exactly knows what 3-phase charging in the EU means and how they need to implement it.

    Their motor is 3-phase powered, so there is knowledge about this matter inside Tesla.

    I've also heard from multiple sources that they are working on true 3-phase charging, so I still think we're good.

    The story about just connecting on of the three phases from the Scandinavian sales rep has been going around for over a year now.
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