Pure BEV Dogma

[JRP3]

The Volt is not just a PHEV, like a PIP. It is better than that.

Depends on your criteria. If you drive longer distances and want the most efficiency, the PiP is better. The differences between the PiP and Volt are like the differences between a car with a 4cyl and a 6cyl in a way, but they don't need different descriptives in labeling. The details will be described in finer detail during shopping and purchase.

It is not twice as complex as an EV either. The powertrain is, but modern automobiles have so much more. Like over 100 electric motors in an S-class, or TEN airbags in a Chevy Cruze. Not to mention navigation, telematics, suspension, brakes, entertainment systems, lighting, HVAC, ad nausium. What is the big deal about only ONE extra powertrain!

GSP

I was talking about the powertrain, which is the most prone to wear, and actually more complex in an ICE than EV simply by number of moving parts. So a hybrid is more than twice as complex than an EV

[GSP]

So you don't actually feel the same way at all

No. EXACTLY.

GSP

[GSP]

I was talking about the powertrain, which is the most prone to wear, and actually more complex in an ICE than EV simply by number of moving parts. So a hybrid is more than twice as complex than an EV

Right, but most people buy and maintain complete automobiles!

GSP

[dpeilow]

Depends on your criteria. If you drive longer distances and want the most efficiency, the PiP is better. The differences between the PiP and Volt are like the differences between a car with a 4cyl and a 6cyl in a way, but they don't need different descriptives in labeling. The details will be described in finer detail during shopping and purchase.


I was talking about the powertrain, which is the most prone to wear, and actually more complex in an ICE than EV simply by number of moving parts. So a hybrid is more than twice as complex than an EV

That's BS.

You might think you'll burn no gas on local errands with the Toyota, but you will. Its ICE will be on most of the time to give you adequate power, causing wear and tear. It just uses plug power to give an MPG boost to the ICE, unless you drive like a granny.

On the other hand, a Volt with 100,000 miles might only have 10,000 miles on the ICE.

And as I've said umpteen times, various people have shown the cross-over point where Prius beats Volt is above 90 miles. So if you live 90 miles from the shops, your kids' school or work, buy the Prius.

[GSP]

Depends on your criteria.

By MY criteria, the Volt is better. Others will like the PIP better, but they are not the same. The differences are more significant than a four compared to a six.

GSP

[JRP3]

That's BS.

You might think you'll burn no gas on local errands with the Toyota, but you will. Its ICE will be on most of the time to give you adequate power, causing wear and tear. It just uses plug power to give an MPG boost to the ICE, unless you drive like a granny.

People who buy a PiP are obviously interested in efficiency, they probably drive in a similar manner, they aren't looking for a performance vehicle. As for the crossover point with the PiP and the Volt, wasn't that with the HEV, not the PHEV version?

[stopcrazypp]

People who buy a PiP are obviously interested in efficiency, they probably drive in a similar manner, they aren't looking for a performance vehicle. As for the crossover point with the PiP and the Volt, wasn't that with the HEV, not the PHEV version?

According to reviews, long as you maintain less than 3/4 throttle, the ICE never turns on in the PiP. I don't see how that is a very big challenge to do. The only time where you might be required to do full throttle is in the highway on ramp and at that point the ICE will have to be on anyways (unless you are in a 55mph zone).

Toyota can simply add another mode in the next version so that it doesn't require the user to limit the throttle by themselves, while still having the ICE off.

I also wanted to add that the Prius has an HSI bar that makes it very easy to tell how much throttle you have applied.

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Maybe we can use GEV (Generator Electric Vehicle) ER is too generic.

I still like calling ER-EV's, "rangers" but that's almost too-cool a word.

I like GEV. Just make it stand for: Gasoline Electric Vehicle!!

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Though after thinking about it, maybe EVG is better. Electric Vehicle -Gasoline.

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