ETCgreen anti-EV FUD

[JRP3]

I have served as an Analyst and Engineer for 30 years for the DoD, DoE, various universities and 4 Fortune 100 Corps.

No wonder they are all so screwed up if they take the data that you provide at face value. You have almost everything completely wrong.
The average new vehicle purchase price in 2010 was around $29K. Including used vehicles in a comparison of new EV's is completely misleading. Not surprising you'd do so.
http://www.road-reality.com/2010/07/...rises-in-2010/
Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc. sell millions of vehicles each year, I'd say that's a good market for Tesla.
The average lifetime of a vehicle is around 13 years and less than 150K miles, so your 300K number is also BS:
http://www.safecarguide.com/gui/new/neworused.htm
Here's a research paper showing that EV's are not more environmentally damaging than ICE vehicles for their lifetime:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...f-te083010.php

You have failed to post a single referenced fact. No surprise from a FUD master.

[rolosrevenge]

And he didn't answer the IEEE spectrum rebuttal of his biofuels argument, nor the fact that he doesn't even know the proper unit abbreviation, a true researcher doesn't throw arguments, they throw peer reviewed sources. I highly doubt this person is an engineer or an analyst, just a spewer of BS.

[dpeilow]

I'd be quite happy for this discussion to move to the ETCgreen website. We play away and at home - you can even bring your friends.

[qwk]

I'd be quite happy for this discussion to move to the ETCgreen website. We play away and at home - you can even bring your friends.

lol

[Robert.Boston]

Interesting, he never rebutted any of my arguments...

[qwk]

Interesting, he never rebutted any of my arguments...

He only picks and chooses. Amazingly, all of his rebuttals are lies and no proof. I would love to see some math(although that favors EV's so he is avoiding it like the plague).

[vfx]

Can we spilt to an ETC Biofuels rant?

[rolosrevenge]

Interesting, he never rebutted any of my arguments...

Nor mine, since I cited a very reputable source.

[doug]

Woah... I totally missed all the activity on this thread lately. Split off as requested.

I've only managed to skim this, but wow so much FUD, it's hard to know where to begin. But as a semiconductor physics guy, one that really stuck out to me, and that ETC brings up a couple times was this:

To manufacture solar panels, one must have rare earth minerals - a great deal of rare earth minerals.

Rare?? You mean mean like silicon?? The second most abundant element in the earth's crust (after oxygen)???

[dpeilow]

Maybe ETCgreen's studies say we should run all this on biodiesel?