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    Model S VIN P01536 Robert.Boston's Avatar
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    ETCgreen anti-EV FUD

    [Moderator's note: moved from here:More anti-ev gibberish]


    Particularly dangerous FUD because it is written well and authoritatively.
    Last edited by doug; 02-14-2012 at 12:45 PM. Reason: added note

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    Who are Emerging Technology Corporation? They seem to be pro-biofuel.

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    Quite a laundry list of why EVs are unsuitable, and not a good customer choice. Total BS. They try to paint EVs with the Thi!nk "golf cart" stereotype, which really annoys me. As you read on they seem quite desperate to find reasons that "advanced clean diesel" is better. Diesel engines have advanced significantly, and are much cleaner than they used to be, but they can't hold a candle to EVs.

    Who are these guys? They say:

    "The Emerging Technology Corporation (ETC) - Green Division includes Professional Engineers, seasoned Project Managers, Scientists and Researchers in various related disciplines and experienced Field Staff - a total of over 30 committed individuals.* ETC Green and the Emerging Technology Corporation have established relationships with U.S. National Laboratories, USDA, EPA, DoE, NRC, DoI, BLM, DoD, USGS and several universities.* We are active in the development and authoring of new Renewable Energy legislation working with current and past state governors, state and federal legislators, county governments and municipalities."

    They do seem to be professionals, perhaps an older profession than Engineering.

    Who funds these "professionals?"

    GSP

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    Wow, so much FUD I didn't even bother to read more than half of it.

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    Wow that article is bad. My favorite is that they imply that it takes 630kWh to drive 700 miles in an EV. Not 2,200 miles.

    EDIT: Oh and the $9k-$15k transmission replacement after 100k miles. That is rich too. Specially when all the EVs they mention are single speed.

    EDIT: And I always hate that Bio-Fuel hacks never account to how we are going to grow the Biomass. My milk is already expensive enough. Ethanol is making our food prices absurd.
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    They have other articles in a similar vein, if anyone want's to wade through them: http://nvbiofeuls.com/blog/general/e...not-our-future

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    ^ well that URL is a bit of a giveaway...

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    I did a cost comparison using the Ampera and a comparable top of the range diesel model from Vauxhall over average vehicle lifetime. Both cars are specced the same and a similar size and performance. This was based on my 14000 miles pa commute.




    Gives the lie to their claim

    The cost of operating an EV per mile is the highest of any alternative solution - by a factor range of 3 to 6 compared to a comparable advanced diesel vehicle for example.

    And these guys claim to be influencing policy. Anyone from ABG or GCR care to expose the Emerging Technology Corporation for being a front for a biofuels company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElSupreme View Post
    EDIT: And I always hate that Bio-Fuel hacks never account to how we are going to grow the Biomass. My milk is already expensive enough. Ethanol is making our food prices absurd.
    Bio fuel will never be a large scale solution. It will have it's niches, but electricity from solar is really one of the few long term sustainable solutions available. Only thing keeping solar back now is really price and that is still projected to reach grid parity in large areas of the world by the end of the decade.

    After all - how many of you have PV installed on your roof now that offsets a significant portion of your energy consumption?

    The Biofuel Grind | Do the Math

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