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    Quote Originally Posted by mikevbf View Post
    ... those diesels might not be able to go 0-60 in under 5 sec, but they could probably haul a 747 ....


    Funny you should say that, because here is a video of a V10 Toureg actually towing a 747 Jumbo ... amazing stuff !!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk3VRtU5Dk

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    BREAKING: Audi Confirms Plug-in Hybrid A4, Q7 e-tron Models

    Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk might have quipped that his 2011 Audi Q7 SUV wasn’t as good as the 2013 Tesla Model X when it came to interior space, but now it turns out the difference between the Model X and the Q7 isn't that large after all.

    You see, starting in 2014, Audi will offer the Q7 as a plug-in hybrid, along with a plug-in hybrid variant of the A4, Audi’s high-volume sports sedan.
    It is apparently, as they say, on like donkey kong.

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    Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk might have quipped that his 2011 Audi Q7 SUV wasn’t as good as the 2013 Tesla Model X when it came to interior space, but now it turns out the difference between the Model X and the Q7 isn't that large after all.

    You see, starting in 2014, Audi will offer the Q7 as a plug-in hybrid, along with a plug-in hybrid variant of the A4, Audi’s high-volume sports sedan.
    Strange statement. I would think the interior space would shrink when they stuff the trunk full of batteries, generator, etc.

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    Thought is was time to kick some life in to this sleeping thread, with all the recent discussion about the possibility of a Model S AWD, and the fact that we now can say that it's very likely that Tesla will live on and prosper as a company and therefore the Model X will become reality (Falcon doors or not).

    So, my daily driver is a Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Great mini car for city use. Quick and agile. 16kWh battery, about 70 miles of real-world range without heavy HVAC use. Had it now for >1 year and had absolutely no issues. Just had it for it's first annual service at the Mitsubishi dealer and came to talk with the mechanic there. He knew all about Tesla, and was really in to EV's and hybrids as well. He gave me some info on the Outlander. In this thread you can see that the Mitsubishi Outlander (someone above said Highlander but that is wrong I think) was presented as a concept. Well, it's no concept now but going in to production and will soon start selling here in Norway. Now, Mitsubishi has been doing really well in the last years here with their ASX (a nice somewhat smaller SUV/CUV type car) and with the Outlander. AWD is really big here due to long and hard winters.

    It features two electric motors, one front and one back with no mechanical coupling between the two (first production car besides the Model X that I know of that has this). The motors are specified at 80 hp (59.5 watts) with 101 lb-ft (137 Nm) torque in the front and 80 hp (59.5 Watts) with 144 lb-ft (195 Nm) torque in the rear motor.

    The Outlander plug-in hybrid features a 12kWh battery and is said to have a fully electric range of 55 km (tested with the Japanese standard which overestimates in my experience) and a "target combined" MPG of 143, or the equivalent of 61 km/liter (we commonly count the other way around to say 0.164 liter/10 km) which is quite impressive. Now, this is with the ICE operating as a generator only ("Series Hybrid Mode"), the ICE is a 2.0 liter petrol engine. It also has a 3rd mode they call "Parallel hybrid mode" where the ICE provides most of the motive power and the electric motors just assist, this mode is apparently only for hig-speed driving, where the ICE operates at peak efficiency.

    It has CHAdeMO for DC charging (50kW max) and on-board AC charger is at only 2.7 kW according to my calculations (Mitsubishi says AC charging takes 4.5 hours to charge from 0-100% with the battery at 12kWh) which is good enough for over-night charging.

    The car also boasts an impressive cd of only 0.27 according to Mitsubishi.

    I think Mitsubishi is doing a lot of things right with this car and for me it would be a very interesting car if it wasn't for the fact that 1) I want to be 100% electric 2) Our tax system, and hence pricing, strongly favors fully BEV's over any form of ICE even hybrids. Still I think they will sell a lot of these in Norway.

    Check this article and especially the press release from Mitsubishi.
    Here is another good article from Motor Trend
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    I agree I think this Outlander could be popular here too.

    However, everything I have read has the ICE at two litres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpeilow View Post
    I agree I think this Outlander could be popular here too.

    However, everything I have read has the ICE at two litres.
    Yes, I think you are right, but strangely enough on the press release included in the first link I submitted it said 1.0 liter engine, but on Mistubishi's own webpages it says 2.0 liter engine.

    Update: Ah, I see what I did there. In the press release there was mention of another car with a 1.0 liter engine (a super compact). I've changed the original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    ...He gave me some info on the Outlander. In this thread you can see that the Mitsubishi Outlander (someone above said Highlander but that is wrong I think)...
    Highlander is a Toyota SUV
    Outlander is a Mitsubishi SUV
    Some info about Toyota Highlander:
    Why my Toyota Highlander wants to plug in hybrid.... PHEV conversion SULEV - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    ...It features two electric motors, one front and one back with no mechanical coupling between the two (first production car besides the Model X that I know of that has this)...
    Slightly apples-to-oranges comparison, but that Toyota Highlander Hybrid AWD has had front and rear (not joined) electric motors for a while now.
    But it is not (currently) a PHEV, and the eMotors are small, so the gasoline engine comes on for nearly all highway driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PV4EV View Post
    Funny you should say that, because here is a video of a V10 Toureg actually towing a 747 Jumbo ... amazing stuff !!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk3VRtU5Dk
    I have a v10 touareg that I was going to sell to get the model s but don't think I could part with it. It gets in the low 20s highway, when not besting on it which is hard, and 18 city. It's not terrible but I am completely enthralled with EVs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ElSupreme View Post
    The only thing I can think of that is even close is the V8TDI Touareg 2. It is in about 5.7seconds according to Wikipedia. I thought the first generation V10 TDI did it around 5 seconds but Wikipedia seems to disagree.

    Volkswagen Touareg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Touareg is geared very poorly and is a monster off the line but repeated quick shifting ruins it's continued acceleration. I've had mine tuned to a modest, believe its modest, 360 RWHP and 710 lb/ft of torque. Most importantly the software for the transmission shifting points remarkably better.

    The initial jump of the v10 is crazy. However, my wife had a Cayene TTS and it is 4.9 sec 0-60 which was amazing. So if the model X is 4.4 it will be scary fast.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...10-tdi-review/

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