Charging in the Netherlands

[widodh]

It works like this:

When you plug in the cable from the roadster, the EVSE sends a pilot signal to the Car, this pilot signal tells the roadster it can draw (in my case) Max 26A from the mains.
Then the charging starts, the Max current is set by the charger in the car to 26A.
By now varying the pilot signal you can change the current the roadster will draw, the car will respond to this signal within 5 seconds.

I use a kWh meter, with pulse output on the same phase as the roadster is on. On this phase there are a few other household items like the water cooker.
Let's say the water cooker is on, and draws 6A , Car is charging and draws 26A.

The pulses from the kWh meter tell the EVSE that currently 32Amps are drawn, that's 6 Amps too much.
So as soon as the current on the phase goes above 26A, the pilot signal to the roadster will change, and tell the roadster to draw 26-6=20 Amps instead.

Once the water cooker switches off, the current to the roadster will automatically change to 26A again.

Nice! Which one are you using as a kWh meter? I'm using those from Finder ( 3 fase energieteller 65 A, LCD - Wissel-, draaistroomteller - Conrad Electronic )

I'm just counting the kWh's now, but I should be able to do the same, shouldn't I? I have 3x40A, but I want to limit the car to 32A. When my electric cooker goes on, or my oven, boiler the 40A is probably not enough.

[Adm]

I am pretty sure the LoLoo of the New Motion uses the same concept, but only at 230V/16A.

[widodh]

I am pretty sure the LoLoo of the New Motion uses the same concept, but only at 230V/16A.

I guess that actually might be a good solution for the TS.

Otherwise, try contacting EV-Box, they are working on these kinds of things as well. They might have a EVSE which variates the amperage based on the availability.

[Adm]

I've got a 400V/16A charger (Easy Box, RWE Mobility) up and running at my antiques store. Now all I need is an EV that can use all 3 phases... Next year I hope...

[Eberhard]

I've got a 400V/16A charger (Easy Box, RWE Mobility) up and running at my antiques store. Now all I need is an EV that can use all 3 phases... Next year I hope...

give your hope. tesla will only do, if they are forced to do it.
by law or simple: if they cannot sell in europe without it

[Fuzzylogic]

Nice! Which one are you using as a kWh meter? I'm using those from Finder ( 3 fase energieteller 65 A, LCD - Wissel-, draaistroomteller - Conrad Electronic )

I'm just counting the kWh's now, but I should be able to do the same, shouldn't I? I have 3x40A, but I want to limit the car to 32A. When my electric cooker goes on, or my oven, boiler the 40A is probably not enough.

I'm using a EM10 meter from Carlo Gavazzi it has a pulse output, 1000 pulses /kWh.
I noticed your meter has a Mbus, that should make it even easier to use.

But you still need a EVSE which can use this information, at the moment i think that building it yourself is the only option.
(maybe the DIY Home EVSE project can be altered to read the Mbus data?)

[raymond]

By now varying the pilot signal you can change the current the roadster will draw, the car will respond to this signal within 5 seconds.

Does this mean the energy company lets you draw 32 Amps on a 26 Amp connection for those five seconds? What exactly are the ratings for the fuses on a 3x25A connection? Did you replace the "client-side" 25A fuse with something bigger/slower than normal?

[widodh]

Does this mean the energy company lets you draw 32 Amps on a 26 Amp connection for those five seconds? What exactly are the ratings for the fuses on a 3x25A connection? Did you replace the "client-side" 25A fuse with something bigger/slower than normal?

The main fuses are C-rated, so C25. They are kind of slow and you can draw over 25A for a couple of minutes before they trip.

[Adm]

I've counted 22 CHAdeMO fast chargers so far and many more to follow.

http://maps.google.nl/maps/ms?msid=2...79625,4.938354

Private parties were give the opportunity to show interest to place chargers on freeway parking spaces and at gas stations. 6 parties have shown interest to place 459 chargers. No word if that will be all fast chargers. Of course showing interest doesn't mean they will a be placed... and if so when?

[Adm]

I found the first company that will place large quantities of fast chargers in the Netherlands. They claim they will place 250 fast chargers in the Netherlands along free- and highways, no 2 chargers more than 30km (19mi) apart.
It should be possible to pay per charge or get a subscription at a fixed rate for unlimited charging.
http://www.fastned.nl/FastNed/Wat_is_FastNed.html