Likelihood of a CHAdeMO adapter for the Model S

[Kevin Sharpe]

This. The connector Tesla came up with is not that different from the extant Type 2 connector. Main difference is they're missing two power pins.

So why come up with it at all? Why not just use Type 2?

At any rate a CHAdeMO adapter would still be desired for the near term.

IMO CHAdeMO is required not desired... however, the fact that an adaptor cannot be used in Europe, and it's going to be tough to fit a 50kW+ adapter in the trunk, leads me to the conclusion that supporting the CHAdeMO connector on the car from day 1 would have been the sensible way forward.

[widodh]

This. The connector Tesla came up with is actually not that different from the extant Type 2 connector. Main difference is they're sadly missing two power pins.

I should really send a couple of Type 2 connectors to people in the US so they can see what it actually is! They are however rather expensive....

At any rate a CHAdeMO adapter would still be desired for the near term.

Yes, 50kW is still better then 11kW or 22kW when doing a road trip.

[Kevin Sharpe]

I should really send a couple of Type 2 connectors to people in the US so they can see what it actually is! They are however rather expensive....

maybe this will help a bit

[Norbert]

Tesla's connector is basically, electrically, J1772 which has been made capable to handle 90 kW. J1772 is of course the standard in the US. It is also expected to be close, electrically, to the SAE DC combo, except of course in a much better package. European DC, in turn, will be electrically similar to SAE DC, and supporting Mennekes (which we discuss in other threads) does not help with CHAdeMO.

The CHAdeMO adapter (this thread's subject) is probably from a technical point of view more complex, but its likelihood at this point at least 90% in my opinion.

[Kevin Sharpe]

The CHAdeMO adapter (this thread's subject) is probably from a technical point of view more complex, but its likelihood at this point at least 90% in my opinion.

and I'm going to guess 10% given the complexity, size, weight, legality (in Europe), and cost of a CHAdeMO adapter.

[dsm363]

Just because CHAdeMO has a big lead at the moment doesn't mean that if SAE DC is ever finalized and supported by many more manufacturers in the US at least that it won't quickly take over. This could be another VHS vs. betamax type fight. I do hope they come out with the adapter though since that would benefit a lot of people, especially in the Northwest.

[Robert.Boston]

and I'm going to guess 10% given the complexity, size, weight, legality (in Europe), and cost of a CHAdeMO adapter.

Laws can be changed. There's nothing intrinsically dangerous about an adapter; what's dangerous is a poorly designed/built adapter. EU law should evolve to allow properly tested and certified adapters for EVs.

[EVNow]

Just because CHAdeMO has a big lead at the moment doesn't mean that if SAE DC is ever finalized and supported by many more manufacturers in the US at least that it won't quickly take over. This could be another VHS vs. betamax type fight. I do hope they come out with the adapter though since that would benefit a lot of people, especially in the Northwest.

Given the low number of CHAdeMO chargers at the moment, that should be easy. But, only if someone in that camp is serious about EVs. QC needs a lot of dedicated time at city level to get done.

[Kevin Sharpe]

Laws can be changed. There's nothing intrinsically dangerous about an adapter; what's dangerous is a poorly designed/built adapter. EU law should evolve to allow properly tested and certified adapters for EVs.

actually we are going in the other direction... we used to allow adapters.

[doug]

If Tesla offers a 43 kW on board charger in Europe, then I don't think they need a CHAdeMO adapter in that market.