Unhappy Owners Post's Removed / Censored

ar4c · Oct 20, 2015

Hey All,

I just received a message from a mod that talking negative about Tesla on this forum creates a "toxic atmosphere" and my posts were moved / removed from the site.

I have to ask, is it fair when someone is upset and frustrated with the quality of my car and also the service to censor my posts? Is this site only geared towards those who only have positive things to say and praise everything that is Tesla? I am frustrated as I spent a lot of money on my P85D and I am having many problems and having issues with the servicing of my vehicle. Does that warrant the censoring of my posts?

Max* · Oct 20, 2015

ElectricLove · Oct 20, 2015

Well, most of the people who are "deeply" invested in this site and "run" it are also deeply invested in Tesla financially. I have found a similarly disheartening experience a few times, it is what it is, can't do much about it, this isn't a site "owned by the people"...

bonnie · Oct 20, 2015

ar4c said:
Hey All,

I just received a message from a mod that talking negative about Tesla on this forum creates a "toxic atmosphere" and my posts were moved / removed from the site.

I have to ask, is it fair when someone is upset and frustrated with the quality of my car and also the service to censor my posts? Is this site only geared towards those who only have positive things to say and praise everything that is Tesla? I am frustrated as I spent a lot of money on my P85D and I am having many problems and having issues with the servicing of my vehicle. Does that warrant the censoring of my posts?

Nice spin. But there is plenty of negative talk about Tesla on this forum. And very very rarely are posts removed.

So I'm going to assume you've spun what the moderator actually said.

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ElectricLove said:
Well, most of the people who are "deeply" invested in this site and "run" it are also deeply invested in Tesla financially. I have found a similarly disheartening experience a few times, it is what it is, can't do much about it, this isn't a site "owned by the people"...

You've had a post removed? Don't think so. What you did have was a group of Roadster owners disagree with your assessment of the support they were receiving, based on their own personal experience.

mspohr · Oct 20, 2015

ar4c said:
Hey All,

I just received a message from a mod that talking negative about Tesla on this forum creates a "toxic atmosphere" and my posts were moved / removed from the site.

I have to ask, is it fair when someone is upset and frustrated with the quality of my car and also the service to censor my posts? Is this site only geared towards those who only have positive things to say and praise everything that is Tesla? I am frustrated as I spent a lot of money on my P85D and I am having many problems and having issues with the servicing of my vehicle. Does that warrant the censoring of my posts?

Lots of people post lots of issues critical of Tesla, the car and service issues. These are not censored.
If your post was removed, it is probably because it went beyond objective criticism... perhaps including flaming, irrational foul language or personal attacks (for instance... I don't really know what you posted).

Super_Popular · Oct 20, 2015

I agree with Bonnie about the negative talk about Tesla on this site. it seems to be constant and I have never seen negative Tesla posts removed. Even on Tesla's own forum it's constant and not deleted.

ar4c · Oct 20, 2015

ElectricLove said:
Well, most of the people who are "deeply" invested in this site and "run" it are also deeply invested in Tesla financially. I have found a similarly disheartening experience a few times, it is what it is, can't do much about it, this isn't a site "owned by the people"...

I figured as much. It seems that the site is heavily biased towards those who have only positive things to say, but the negative posts and unhappy customers are bullied and battered, then outright censored when speaking up. I would assume that there are financial investments by those that moderate the site, and they feel the urge to police criticisms as much as possible to protect their investment. Hence the disclaimers people on posts as they try to protect things they say from being published, likely because it could affect stock prices.

It is very different then any other forum I am ever been on, thats for sure. I have concerns and vent my frustration and immediately am called a "troll" and bullied, then outright censored because people disagree with me. It is shocking to say the least.

Super_Popular · Oct 20, 2015

ar4c said:
Hey All,

I just received a message from a mod that talking negative about Tesla on this forum creates a "toxic atmosphere" and my posts were moved / removed from the site.

Not that it's any of our business but since you started this thread how about you post the message that you got?

kort677 · Oct 20, 2015

Douglas said:
Not that it's any of our business but since you started this thread how about you post the message that you got?

IMHO, that would not be proper, a private message is just that, a private message. either take the OP at his word or dismiss him and move on.

Max* · Oct 20, 2015

ar4c said:
I figured as much. It seems that the site is heavily biased towards those who have only positive things to say, but the negative posts and unhappy customers are bullied and battered, then outright censored when speaking up. I would assume that there are financial investments by those that moderate the site, and they feel the urge to police criticisms as much as possible to protect their investment. Hence the disclaimers people on posts as they try to protect things they say from being published, likely because it could affect stock prices.

It is very different then any other forum I am ever been on, thats for sure. I have concerns and vent my frustration and immediately am called a "troll" and bullied, then outright censored because people disagree with me. It is shocking to say the least.

O please.

You joined a few days ago. Pissed all over Tesla (which is fine, you do point out nearly every flaw that Tesla has), act hoity toity because you have a performance model and someone else only has a "regular" model, because you paid cash for 2 cars, etc. then you get pissy that you're called a troll.

After the initial heat simmers down, you go on to flame Tesla [using misconstrued "facts"] about several of their other flaws.

Did I get the timeline correct?

I am surprised that your post got removed, it didn't seem too bad, I'm not surprised about the lack of sympathy you're getting.

ar4c · Oct 20, 2015

Douglas said:
Not that it's any of our business but since you started this thread how about you post the message that you got?

As you can see, I am being called "trollish" because I have been venting frustrations with my experience with my car and the service. The only thing I have done is voiced my opinion, which of course is negative, because I am upset with Tesla. If you read what he is saying, he is encouraging only "positive" posts. I have done nothing to violate any rules, and am being policed simply because I disagree with the Tesla fans here, nothing more.

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Max* · Oct 20, 2015

kort677 said:
IMHO, that would not be proper, a private message is just that, a private message. either take the OP at his word or dismiss him and move on.

Exactly. It's a private message. This whole thread needs to be private too.

In other forums which I frequent, discussing warning/etc. is another warning on top of what you originally got called out for. Apparently on TMC you can talk about private mod communications.

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ar4c said:
As you can see, I am being called "trollish" because I have been venting frustrations with my experience with my car and the service. The only thing I have done is voiced my opinion, which of course is negative, because I am upset with Tesla. If you read what he is saying, he is encouraging only "positive" posts. I have done nothing to violate any rules, and am being policed simply because I disagree with the Tesla fans here, nothing more.

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That mod did call out one thing which I didn't feel comfortable doing publicly. Kudo's to him. I'm not convinced you're an owner.

bonnie · Oct 20, 2015

ar4c said:
As you can see, I am being called "trollish" because I have been venting frustrations with my experience with my car and the service. The only thing I have done is voiced my opinion, which of course is negative, because I am upset with Tesla. If you read what he is saying, he is encouraging only "positive" posts. I have done nothing to violate any rules, and am being policed simply because I disagree with the Tesla fans here, nothing more.

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So where exactly is the part where they removed your posts? The rest of it looks like they're asking for civil behavior. I can point to plenty of forum members that are almost consistently negative about Tesla, but respectful towards other forum members.

Max* · Oct 20, 2015

bonnie said:
So where exactly is the part where they removed your posts? The rest of it looks like they're asking for civil behavior. I can point to plenty of forum members that are almost consistently negative about Tesla, but respectful towards other forum members.

They did "remove" his post from the thread. They moved his reply to me into snippiness.

bonnie · Oct 20, 2015

Max* said:
They did "remove" his post from the thread. They moved his reply to me into snippiness.

-laugh- I get it. Now moving posts to another thread is called 'removing'? Sorry, I thought he meant his posts were deleted.

Max* · Oct 20, 2015

bonnie said:
-laugh- I get it. Now moving posts to another thread is called 'removing'? Sorry, I thought he meant his posts were deleted.

You just gotta look at it in the correct context.

Super_Popular · Oct 20, 2015

I do not see anything wrong what the mod said to you. I think that you are over dramatizing what they said. Other members can also complain to the mods if you annoy them so that might be part of it.....not really sure though.

bonnie · Oct 20, 2015

Max* said:
You just gotta look at it in the correct context.

Perhaps a few shots of tequila will help me get there.

LargeHamCollider · Oct 20, 2015

If I was a mod I'd remove your posts and ban you, you have contributed nothing but sensationalized complaints to the forum.

Also what is your VIN number? I'm not convinced you're an owner.

Max* · Oct 20, 2015

LargeHamCollider said:
If I was a mod I'd remove your posts and ban you, you have contributed nothing but sensationalized complaints to the forum.

Also what is your VIN number? I'm not convinced you're an owner.

What would a VIN number do? He's either an owner, or clearly done enough research on Tesla that he knows about all the issues Tesla has and can make up a VIN.

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