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    Hi, I also live in Happy Valley and just ordered a Model S. Do you have the link of the article by the newspaper? or the do u know the date they published it? thanks.


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    I have been fighting with the OC of Leighton Hill in Happy Valley for almost 2 years and still no luck. This little OC party won't even bother to see me or EMSD face to face to discuss for any possibility of installation. Lately, I have been interviewed by the Hong Kong Economic Times, hopefully it will stir up some discussion.

    I couldn't understand why being an owner of an apartment property that I am living in would not have no right to install a power point!! I don't see why I have no choice of choosing to drive an electric car because of these idiotic OC of apartment buildings.

    The HKSAR and EB are doing so much to promote the use of EVs in HK, which is a great thing and HK is one of the most suitable place for EV. I hope the new Chief Executive would agree to provide some incentive to apartment, say discount in electricity for those that install charging stations.

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    I've spent so long looking at this, examining incentives, legislation covering 'selling' of electricity, easements (right of way), deeds of mutual covenants, as well as a bunch of other options. In the end, the only solution I see as workable for Hong Kong is the one that states in the USA are adopting. Specific legislation to give owners of car parks the right to install their own charging station. Making it illegal for management / ownership corporations to block such installations, even crossing common areas.

    Nothing else, that I can see (and I've been banging my head against this particular wall for more than 12 months now), works.

    Here's what I just wrote to Mr KS Wong, the Secretary of the Environment:

    I understand the government's hard work in promoting the adoption and use of Electric Vehicles in Hong Kong, and the positive effect that such adoption can have on our environment. However, the single biggest issue affecting such adoption is where to charge these Electric Vehicles. I own and drive an Electric Vehicle in Hong Kong and am well aware of the issues surrounding this.

    The recent deployment of 1,000 charging stations in shopping centre car parks and government offices goes some way to address the issue. But, the 10km additional range per hour that 220V 13A gives is quite simply insufficient, unless the vehicle can charge for most of the day/night - which is not practical for a short shopping visit. The alternative solution of deploying CHAdeMO fast chargers is too costly and quite frankly the wrong solution for the majority of private vehicle users.

    The answer comes from looking at where vehicle owners leave their vehicles standing idle for the majority of the time. In almost all cases that is either at home or office car parks. Charging at such locations, even with a simple 220V 13A socket for 8 to 10 hours, makes excellent economic sense and would be a perfect solution for all the owners I speak to. 10 hours at 220V 13A results in approximately 100km of additional range for most electric vehicles.

    However, when owners (or prospective owners) approach their office / home management association to get approval to install a simple 220V 13A socket, their applications are simply denied. The management / home ownership corporations have no incentive to support such installations - they only see the risks and extra work involved.

    While I understand that government has made some progress and enacted legislation to address this issue for new buildings, the problem affecting the vast majority of owners is with existing buildings.

    Looking at the situation in USA, where they have the most experience and success with incentivising the adoption of electric vehicles, we find that more and more states are enacting legislation to make it illegal for a home ownership organisation to reject / block the deployments of electric vehicle charging stations in owner's car parks. For example, California enacted statute 1353.9 (see http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=1352-1353.9) in 2012, and Oregon has this summer enacted HB3301 (see HB 3301 :: Oregon Legislature Bill Tracker - Your Government - The Oregonian) which has similar effect. Both legislation quite simply make it illegal to block such installations, provided the owner's proposal is reasonable (including such things as insurance requirement, sensible billing procedures, and payment of costs).

    I strongly urge the Hong Kong Government to adopt similar measures, and believe it will have a positive impact for the adoption of electric vehicles in Hong Kong, leading to improvements in our environment, health and way of life.
    I suspect that this is just not high up on the government's agenda. They are more concerned with commercial transportation, and find it hard to incentivise / support private vehicles. Nevertheless, I plan on continuing to send this message to anyone in government who raises his head up to discuss the issue.

    If anyone wants to use my text above, feel free to adapt and send it in yourself.

    Perhaps something will come of it, perhaps nothing, but if you don't ask...
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    Thanks for your hard work. We definitely could use faster and more efficient and free charging points in HK. Shopping mall charges so much for charging, say IFC!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by markwj View Post
    I've spent so long looking at this, examining incentives, legislation covering 'selling' of electricity, easements (right of way), deeds of mutual covenants, as well as a bunch of other options. In the end, the only solution I see as workable for Hong Kong is the one that states in the USA are adopting. Specific legislation to give owners of car parks the right to install their own charging station. Making it illegal for management / ownership corporations to block such installations, even crossing common areas.

    Nothing else, that I can see (and I've been banging my head against this particular wall for more than 12 months now), works.

    Here's what I just wrote to Mr KS Wong, the Secretary of the Environment:



    I suspect that this is just not high up on the government's agenda. They are more concerned with commercial transportation, and find it hard to incentivise / support private vehicles. Nevertheless, I plan on continuing to send this message to anyone in government who raises his head up to discuss the issue.

    If anyone wants to use my text above, feel free to adapt and send it in yourself.

    Perhaps something will come of it, perhaps nothing, but if you don't ask...

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    I'm following this thread as I'll be installing a charge point in my apartment carpark in Melbourne. I'll be doing it that as long as the rather long and wide Tesla S can fit up the narrow winding carpark ramps! We have a new greek building that also owns 3 community cars (unfortunately not electric) to discourage private car ownership) and has bike storage rooms for each resident so I imagine that there will be any opposition, it's just the practicalities of car access and adequate power access.

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