Consumer Reports gives perfect score to Model S P85D

trialcritic · Aug 27, 2015

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/27/teslas-p85d-is-the-best-car-consumer-reports-has-ever-tested.html

yo mama · Aug 27, 2015

Well, not quite (I read this article earlier today). CS gave it a *better* than perfect score (i.e., 103 out of 100). Yup, the P85D actually broke their ranking system. This despite the fact that the reviewer states it goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, which does not give the vehicle proper justice.

My question is this: if the P85D got a "perfect" score, what are they going to say about the P90D with Ludicrous? :tongue:

stevem · Aug 28, 2015

They claimed they couldn't get the P85D to go 0-60 faster than 3.5 sec. I listened to one of their podcasts where they talked about it. They just couldn't. Wonder why. Wonder if it's the track. They said it's still amazingly fast, but not as fast as they claim on their web site. With Elon so into consumer reports, I'm surprised that he hasn't sent an engineer there to help them debug that.

Tesla S1 · Aug 28, 2015

Love the fact CR gave this score. I am a subscriber and do like the fact they are non-biased. Others may disagree but hope this just helps the Tesla name moving forward.

siucity · Aug 28, 2015

stevem said:
They claimed they couldn't get the P85D to go 0-60 faster than 3.5 sec. I listened to one of their podcasts where they talked about it. They just couldn't. Wonder why. Wonder if it's the track. They said it's still amazingly fast, but not as fast as they claim on their web site. With Elon so into consumer reports, I'm surprised that he hasn't sent an engineer there to help them debug that.

3.1 is done with a 1-foot rollout. 3.5 sounds right without it.

GlmnAlyAirCar · Aug 28, 2015

The article made it clear that this score is not "perfect"-- it's only the highest rating defined on their scale. CR cited lackluster interior and average reliability as areas where it is not perfect. I suggest changing the title of the thread.

dsm363 · Aug 28, 2015

dkellyb717 said:
The article made it clear that this score is not "perfect"-- it's only the highest rating defined on their scale. CR cited lackluster interior and average reliability as areas where it is not perfect. I suggest changing the title of the thread.

To what? It did get a perfect score on their scale. The title doesn't say it's a perfect car.

dgpcolorado · Aug 28, 2015

siucity said:
3.1 is done with a 1-foot rollout. 3.5 sounds right without it.

What is a "1-foot rollout"? (I know nothing about such things.)

GlmnAlyAirCar · Aug 28, 2015

dsm363 said:
To what? It did get a perfect score on their scale. The title doesn't say it's a perfect car.

Apparently getting a score of 103 means 100 isn't perfect. So what does 103 really mean?

Stoneymonster · Aug 28, 2015

dgpcolorado said:
What is a "1-foot rollout"? (I know nothing about such things.)

Like on the Flintstones, with one foot out the door kicking along to help :tongue:

(It means they don't start tracking the time until the car has moved 1 foot, ostensibly to remove errors in determining when the car started moving/reaction time, etc).

mknox · Aug 28, 2015

dkellyb717 said:
Apparently getting a score of 103 means 100 isn't perfect. So what does 103 really mean?

I hate to be a sourpuss, but... exactly. I read a summary of the article and there were even some minor niggles about the interior materials and/or fit and finish. How can there be niggles and still get a better than perfect score? To be honest, I have never put a lot of faith in CR's auto reporting. I remember, back in the '80s how they would give identical "badge engineered" cars from one manufacturer totally different scores (Dodge 600 / Plymouth Caravelle for instance). The only difference between these cars was whether the worker slapped a Dodge or a Plymouth badge on the back as it came off the line. How on earth could CR rate them differently? Stuff like that.

EVenthusiast · Aug 28, 2015

dkellyb717 said:
Apparently getting a score of 103 means 100 isn't perfect. So what does 103 really mean?

It means they need to revise their rating system. Only vehicles that are truly perfect should be able to hit 100 (and not more).

yo mama · Aug 28, 2015

dkellyb717 said:
Apparently getting a score of 103 means 100 isn't perfect. So what does 103 really mean?

It's live having amps that go to 11.

Drucifer · Aug 28, 2015

siucity said:
3.1 is done with a 1-foot rollout. 3.5 sounds right without it.

Exactly.

dsm363 · Aug 28, 2015

dkellyb717 said:
Apparently getting a score of 103 means 100 isn't perfect. So what does 103 really mean?

It's like people getting a 4.8 GPA on a 4.0 scale I guess.

Stoneymonster · Aug 28, 2015

Numerical ratings with such precision in reviews are silly anyway. Gives the impression of scientific precision where in reality it's a bunch of subjective impressions mixed with hard numbers.

eloder · Aug 28, 2015

mknox said:
I hate to be a sourpuss, but... exactly. I read a summary of the article and there were even some minor niggles about the interior materials and/or fit and finish. How can there be niggles and still get a better than perfect score? To be honest, I have never put a lot of faith in CR's auto reporting. I remember, back in the '80s how they would give identical "badge engineered" cars from one manufacturer totally different scores (Dodge 600 / Plymouth Caravelle for instance). The only difference between these cars was whether the worker slapped a Dodge or a Plymouth badge on the back as it came off the line. How on earth could CR rate them differently? Stuff like that.

Normal cars don't get supercar acceleration speeds with 5+2 seating and efficiency that rivals the best hybrids. That's how it exceeded 100--mutually exclusive categories aren't so mutually exclusive with an EV. They just don't have a rating system designed specifically for EVs, which are inherently superior to ICEs by the nature of the technology.

siucity · Aug 28, 2015

mknox said:
I hate to be a sourpuss, but... exactly. I read a summary of the article and there were even some minor niggles about the interior materials and/or fit and finish. How can there be niggles and still get a better than perfect score? To be honest, I have never put a lot of faith in CR's auto reporting. I remember, back in the '80s how they would give identical "badge engineered" cars from one manufacturer totally different scores (Dodge 600 / Plymouth Caravelle for instance). The only difference between these cars was whether the worker slapped a Dodge or a Plymouth badge on the back as it came off the line. How on earth could CR rate them differently? Stuff like that.

I've never seen that report, but my guess is that even though they're essentially the same car, they could have come off different production lines, or even the same production line at different times, and there could be some variance in quality. Similar to how one Model S appears to have more trouble than the next Model S, even though they were both made at the same facility.

mknox · Aug 31, 2015

eloder said:
Normal cars don't get supercar acceleration speeds with 5+2 seating and efficiency that rivals the best hybrids. That's how it exceeded 100--mutually exclusive categories aren't so mutually exclusive with an EV. They just don't have a rating system designed specifically for EVs, which are inherently superior to ICEs by the nature of the technology.

Still not getting the concept of "mutually exclusive categories" can yield a better than perfect (100%) score. If acceleration is perfect, it gets 5/5 vs. 3/5 or 4/5 for a comparable ICE. If it seats 5+2 vs. 4 or 5 for a similar ICE, the Model S gets 5/5 (perfect) while the ICE gets 4/5 or something like that.

jaguar36 · Aug 31, 2015

mknox said:
I hate to be a sourpuss, but... exactly. I read a summary of the article and there were even some minor niggles about the interior materials and/or fit and finish. How can there be niggles and still get a better than perfect score? To be honest, I have never put a lot of faith in CR's auto reporting.

+1

CR is great (or at least the best/only thing) there is for appliance reviews and vacuum cleaners and such, for cars or technology they've always seemed to miss the mark to me. What is actually the max on their scale? Its clearly not 100, and I hope its not 103, as the P85D isn't perfect. So what is it? And why are they using such a cooky scale that maxes at some random number?

Their whole rating system is awful due to its lack of transparency.

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