Tesla Infinite mile battery pack (rated range stuck)

yobigd20 · Jul 29, 2015

This morning I 100% range charged to 245 miles. After about 5 miles of driving normally I noticed my rated range didn't move at all, yet my avg Wh/mi was around 330. Not like I was going downhill or anything. So I decided to take out my phone and start recording. Video starts when I was at 6.7 miles in already with rated range staying at 245 the whole time. I finally got to 10.2 miles before it started dropping. Really practically 10 free miles. Why didn't the rated range just say 255 instead of 245? Software bug or some sort of weird programming algorithm?

So I guess then if my 100% range charge is actually 255 instead of 245, this really makes everybody's answer in the multitude of TM/TMC threads and facebooks posts and google groups for 'what is your max range charge after xxxxxx number of miles' completely irrelevant. Who knows now since the display is no longer accurate and now we get free miles apparently....

(also, ignore the creaking in the car, it was fully packed with boxes and chairs lol)

qwk · Jul 29, 2015

This is why all of those studies/polls that compare battery capacity for the Model S are worthless at best. I have said this from the get go. There are way too many variables to account for, and most of the relevant information is not given to the user.

FlasherZ · Jul 29, 2015

I reported a strange phenomenon the other day as well, where the "since last charge" stuck for about 15 minutes (@75 mph), then jumped 12 miles over the next couple of minutes (it should have been closer to 18-20). During this time, the odometer updated properly and I saw a decrement of rated range, but it still unnerved me that some of the displays were sticking, and that we are using them to try to do calculations on this forum.

So it's clear that we can't really rely upon the instrumentation that's provided.

apacheguy · Jul 29, 2015

qwk said:
This is why all of those studies/polls that compare battery capacity for the Model S are worthless at best. I have said this from the get go. There are way too many variables to account for, and most of the relevant information is not given to the user.

And what info would that be? Is CAC the gold standard for measuring capacity?

AmpedRealtor · Jul 29, 2015

I believe anyone can call their service center and ask for a CAC value for their car.

Scotty · Jul 29, 2015

Last week, I saw the same thing. I supercharged to about 245 miles, and I drove about 9 miles before it started dropping.

Scotty

gavine · Jul 29, 2015

Same here. Fully charged my 60 the other day for the first time in a long time. The rated range was only showing 180 miles. It stayed at 180 for about it 6 or 7 miles before it started to drop. I drove 183 miles (+/-) and got home with 20 miles to spare so that's more like 203 than 180. I probably oils have had a more accurate reading had I used ideal range display because it was mostly highway miles.

apacheguy · Jul 29, 2015

AmpedRealtor said:
I believe anyone can call their service center and ask for a CAC value for their car.

Never tried this. Would be easier (and cooler) if they gave us read-only access to the diag screens.

invisik · Jul 29, 2015

I've seen similar behavior with the rated miles number not going down for a little while after charging to 100%. Definitely it is trying to recalibrate the rated mile number to the actual capacity of the battery pack and is normal. My 100% charge last year was 265 and this year it was 249 (I usually charge 50%-60% so the calibration is way off on the top end)--I still arrived in that segment with the exact number of rated miles left as I had the previous year (similar conditions too). So the battery capacity is just fine.

If one e-mails ServiceNA will they give you your CAC number?

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pgiralt · Jul 29, 2015

I've seen this happen before, just not quite so many miles. The most I've seen is about 5 miles. I think this is just the software trying to re-calibrate after the range charge. Usually if you range charge again after that, you'll actually see some of those extra miles show up. This is why lots of people say they increase their rated range by range charging. It's just the software trying to figure out the actual pack capacity, not to mention any kind of balancing that occurs when you range charge.

supratachophobia · Jul 30, 2015

What is a CAC number? I will extremely disappointed if it's just Mark Walberg being vulgar.

AmpedRealtor · Jul 30, 2015

apacheguy said:
Never tried this. Would be easier (and cooler) if they gave us read-only access to the diag screens.

^^ this is a great idea!

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supratachophobia said:
What is a CAC number? I will extremely disappointed if it's just Mark Walberg being vulgar.

CAC=Calculated Amp-hour Capacity

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Strange... over the last couple of days, my 90% charge has crept up from 227 miles to 230 miles. Range mode is off.

supratachophobia · Jul 30, 2015

AmpedRealtor said:
^^ this is a great idea!

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CAC=Calculated Amp-hour Capacity

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Strange... over the last couple of days, my 90% charge has crept up from 227 miles to 230 miles. Range mode is off.

That is a great idea, I already feature requested it a few weeks ago, you all should too.

And is this CAC number available to owners for real? And is it accurate to determine battery degradation?

Ingineer · Aug 6, 2015

These momentary stalls and sudden adjustments are due to the way the pack tracks it's state of charge and capacity. They use a current shunt to "coulomb count" which is basically counting the amps in/out. Problem is this is not 100% accurate and subject to drift and slight tracking errors. So the system will correct for these errors occasionally when known voltage curve targets are made, such as when performing a range charge.

We also have the CAC tracking which is constantly tracking the estimated capacity of the pack. This is needed to calculate the SoC by using the coulomb counting measurements. Both CAC and the SoC algorithms depend on occasional full charges to reset their accuracy.

AmpedRealtor · Aug 7, 2015

supratachophobia said:
That is a great idea, I already feature requested it a few weeks ago, you all should too.

And is this CAC number available to owners for real? And is it accurate to determine battery degradation?

I believe your service center should be able to provide you with a CAC number for your battery.

mknox · Aug 7, 2015

Mine will almost invariably drop quite quickly at first. If I leave the house with 215 Rated Miles @ 90%, I might be down to 210 or 211 by the time I've driven a mile. On the other hand, I usually do quite well on the Wh/mi front. Without even trying, my July number was 303. My all time monthly low was 287 in June of 2014 going a bit over 3,000 miles that month.

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