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    BBC FUD Fest: Mini-E London to Edinburgh

    Here's another "let's try and drive a Mini-E from one end of the country to the other" stunt...

    This time it's the BBC (quelle surprise). Mini adventure: how far can an electric car go?





    - Why do BMW keep lending the cars out for these stunts?

    - Why do Elektromotive keep getting involved?

    - Is it really true that the Mini can't do the last 87 miles?


    If it shows anything, it's that the mass roll out of 13A charge posts is a huge short-sighted waste of money.

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    I dropped an email to the BBC / BMW mini guy saying he had chosen the wrong car and told him I could get the Tesla to Edinburgh and back again before he even gets there. May need some help planning charging points if he calls my bluff!

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    Don't worry Alan you are in good hands


    BBC have started: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...d=294662213128

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    I think that this picture sums up the guy we're dealing with here:



    From the BBC's facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...d=294662213128

    Name:  BBC 1.jpg
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    WARNING: Danger of Electric Shock! Vehicle may accelerate quicker than anticipated.

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    I submitted the following at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/homepage/

    What is your complaint about:
    General News

    Programme title:
    BBC News, BBC Breakfast, BBC Business News/technology online

    Transmission date:
    10/01/2011

    Complaint category:
    Bias

    Complaint summary:
    BBC News is engaging in a stunt designed to unfairly make electric cars look bad

    Full complaint:
    Why has BBC news got an agenda against Electric Vehicles? You have set your journalist Brian Milligan on a mission to failure with the stunt of driving an electric mini from London to Edinburgh. By choosing this less capable electric car you ensure that the journey will take 4 days, involve interminable waiting at charging points and make Brian drive without heating. In reality it's a totally inappropriate journey for an EV of this type (and its not even a production car). A better choice of EV (any of Nissan LEAF, Vauxhall Ampera or Tesla Roadster) would have allowed the journey to be completed within one day. By choosing the Mini-E you have set this up to fail. You also have in several broadcasts (e.g. Radio 4 Today) uncritically regurgitated the discredited "Long Tailpipe" argument. Please provide balance at least by interviewing some electric vehicle users (e.g. Current Tesla Roadster drivers).

    This is the wrong car for the job. A 100 mile electric vehicle is ideal for commuting, the school run, shopping - the high 90s% of driving that is local. An electric vehicle owner challenged with an occasional trip London to Edinburgh will make another choice: the train, a hire car, or even a better-adapted electric car.

    Your reporter could have chosen a Nissan LEAF with a similar 80-100 mile range, but 45 minute quick charge at Nissan dealers, rather than 10 hours from a 13 amp plug.

    Or a Vauxhall Ampera, a Plug-In Hybrid - first 40 miles electric, then unlimited range on petrol.

    Or a Tesla Roadster - 200 miles range, then a recharge in 4 hours.

    It seems you have set this up as a deliberate fail.

    So why do this? Has BBC News got an anti-EV agenda, or are you just miserably I'll-informed?

    Please feel free to contact me by email. Phone number on request.

    Disclosure: I drive a Tesla Roadster and it's damn practical. Recently did Edinburgh-Newcastle return in a day with no trouble.

    All the best

    Andrew Bissell

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    I'm a copy cat:

    Complaint type:
    BBC News
    Location:
    England
    What is your complaint about:
    BBC News Online
    Address of the page:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12138420
    Complaint category:
    Bias
    Complaint summary:
    A deliberate attempt to fabricate negative news
    Full complaint:
    The article sets out to show that a short-range electric commuter vehicle isn't practical for use on a long-range cross-country journey. The article opens with the statement "So, in what is arguably an unfair test of a car designed mostly for short-distance motoring, the BBC decided to try to drive an electric Mini the 484 miles from London to Edinburgh." and then continues to demonstrate how foolish the venture is. Is this an attempt to best 'Jack-ass' or another biased episode of Top Gear - the best 'scripted' entertainment show? There is an undercurrent in the BBC's depiction of electric vehicles, it is not news, it is 'generated, often biased and inaccurate 'scripted' entertainment' and does not deserve placement on the BBC's news channel. You can do better.

    WARNING: Danger of Electric Shock! Vehicle may accelerate quicker than anticipated.

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    Michael - thanks. Nicely put. Everyone else - please copy too! They only escalate complaints if they receive enough on a theme.

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    A day 2 update.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12138420

    Miles achieved: 110.5

    Miles to Edinburgh: 373.5

    The sign at the side of the M1 says it's 39 miles to Leicester.

    Coincidentally my electric mini says it has 39 miles left in the battery.

    It's going to be a close-run thing.

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    On the Facebook-Page:

    Thanks for your comments and queries - here are some responses from Brian: We didn't choose the Tesla as this is a very expensive car: the Roadster starts from £87,945, so we felt a more affordable car was a better test. We chose London to Edinburgh as this is a traditional route between 2 countries and 2 capitals - think the flying Scotsman. Putting on the mini's heater reduces the range by up to 10%. In cold weather the range is 70 to 80 miles, compared to 100 miles in warmer weather.
    Choosing a more affordable car was a better test? WTF????
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