More anti-ev gibberish

[qwk]

http://community.nasdaq.com/News/201...?storyid=51928

When will these people actually do some real unbiased research?

[TEG]

I really started to wonder when I read this:

...We turn off the clean hydro power ... at night...

Can that be true? I always assumed that hydroelectric power plants ran 24x7.

This seems to say so:
http://www.whyhydropower.com/HydroTour3b.html

[theBike45]

Why would you assume hydro plants run 24/7? Only baseload plants do so - nuclear and large coal. Hydro qualifies, in fact, as a peak load producer.
I see that once again those who have opinions about the grid seldom seem to know very much about it. That includes perhaps the dimmest light in the US Senate, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, who dedicated a new windmill with the statement that "this will show those oil producers something."
Sure it will Max. We make less than 1% of our power using oil, and even that amount is rapidly declining.

[dpeilow]

Why would you assume hydro plants run 24/7? Only baseload plants do so - nuclear and large coal. Hydro qualifies, in fact, as a peak load producer.
I see that once again those who have opinions about the grid seldom seem to know very much about it.

Speak for yourself. There are hydro plants that can generate massive amounts of power (>1GW) over a short timescale (pumped storage) and those which generate less - maybe 100kW - constantly from the river flow.

[zack]

The manufacturing and use of electric vehicles represents the greatest benefit to US national security of anything we could do in the immediate future. Period. It means we're free from foreign oil. It would be very interesting to read a study on how many all-electrics we'd need to eliminate the need for Mideast oil. Think of it this way, for simplicity's sake: 254 million vehicles. 20% of our oil comes from the Mideast. If all that oil was only being used to make gasoline (it's not), it would take 51 million electric cars to eliminate the need for Mideast oil. Because that oil has other uses, it would take more. Perhaps 60 million.

[JRP3]

A new one from Petersen: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2963...-found-wanting

[Dan5]

Think I may have convinced more people on that bookworm site (the one who wrote about EVs not being cleaner).

I am amazed at how many people are lazy and don't do the math or just take other people's words as gospel without doing any research.

Kind of funny when you give "oil" cars all the advantages and an EV still comes out cleaner

I gave them an example of a Audi A7 (23 mpg average, 18 city, 28 highway) vs a Model S, used an 100% coal plant for electricity, and said the plant was venting all the CO2 directly into the atmosphere. Even in that case, the Tesla is 40% cleaner. Ok, maybe I forgot charging efficiency, but still the Tesla came out significantly ahead

[mfarendt]

Does the calculation of the example with the Audi vs the Tesla take into account the net energy needed to produce everything that makes up the vehicle including getting the Li out of the ground, refining it, producing the battery sheets, and installing into the car? Is the 40% "cleaner" comment really correct? It would be interesting to see a line-by-line audit of the total energy input for a gas vs electric.

[daniel]

What happens to the CO2 per mile for the Prius if you include the fuel burned by the military fighting wars in the Middle East? Because I think we all know we wouldn't be fighting over there if they didn't have oil.

[JRP3]

Kind of funny when you give "oil" cars all the advantages and an EV still comes out cleaner

I got the impression that many of them don't care about "cleaner" when it comes to CO2.