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    Older GPS receivers had a limited number of channels, 4 or 5 typically. Modern ones have a lot more (at least the decent ones, I suppose). There's a little bit of information on this on Wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    Altimeter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ....GPS may be unavailable, for example....or may give wildly inaccurate altitudes when all available satellites are near the horizon...]
    Huh? That makes no sense as GPS satellites are in geostationary orbit. Your GPS doesn't stop working at night....The perils of Wikipedia!
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    I stand corrected! And also slightly dizzy from watching that graphic flying round.... Although I think it also proves my point as your graphic never shows less than 7 satellites visible at any one time.
    I think you should just read up on how GPS works. All the sats near the horizon presents a geometry issue (all within the same plane) that further reduces vertical accuracy. The problem is not that the sats are setting over the horizon, as your posts seem to imply (or refute, rather).

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    There are also signal propagation issues that get worse as the signal has to travel through more of the atmosphere (i.e. low down). This will be improved as the new systems use more frequencies, allowing receivers to compare how each signal on a wider range of frequencies was affected and correcting errors more accurately than is currently possible.

    But yeah, while 7+ sats are possible to see - and I have done many times - often hills or buildings will mean you only see 3 or 4. I've seen receivers that claim to be able to track 21 satellites, which is somewhat pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    I think you should just read up on how GPS works.
    I'm not that motivated (or that smart? Nobody answer!), but thankfully there are plenty of people on here who know more about this than me. I just wondered if the Roadster elevation display was fixed in 100ft increments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
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    (Now also curious if you found out what your problem was Eric?)
    Was a bad GPS unit.

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    My Roadster does move in increments of 100 feet .

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    There is Enhanced GPS as well as DGPS. Using cellular towers along with GPS to determine exact positions within 3 feet is how Enhanced GPS works. DGPS uses dedicated radio towers and a dedicated receiver. DGPS is by far less common now because of it was phased-out by the advent of Enhanced GPS.

    In short your best bet for positioning is your iPhone/Android Phone. (at least in an urban setting) Out in the country your best bet is your handheld Garmin or Magellan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpeilow View Post
    There are also signal propagation issues that get worse as the signal has to travel through more of the atmosphere (i.e. low down). This will be improved as the new systems use more frequencies, allowing receivers to compare how each signal on a wider range of frequencies was affected and correcting errors more accurately than is currently possible.

    But yeah, while 7+ sats are possible to see - and I have done many times - often hills or buildings will mean you only see 3 or 4. I've seen receivers that claim to be able to track 21 satellites, which is somewhat pointless.
    Although now I have learnt more about GPS than I ever needed to know, I spent this morning driving round with the GPS satellite display on the e-dashboard. My Roadster tracks 11 satellites and always locked on 9 of them. Which 9 from 11 varied but it never changed from 9; all my driving was within a 20 mile radius. The most interesting thing is that my Roadster elevation stayed on 0ft the whole time while the GPS altitude showed anything from 65-113ft over what was pretty flat territory. (From previous explanations, now I know why). BTW: At home now my driveway is 11ft above sea level but the GPS altitude shows it as being 65ft.

    I wonder why Tesla included the elevation readout on the VDS? Does it serve a purpose for anyone that I am too dumb to figure out living at sea-level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    I wonder why Tesla included the elevation readout on the VDS? Does it serve a purpose for anyone that I am too dumb to figure out living at sea-level?
    Because it costs energy to climb hills...

    For a car without combustion, absolute elevation is not as important as the differential.

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    I have two charge points about 150 feet apart. The car knows the different settings for each spot.

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