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Why would Bosch produce this video?
This is a very cool video and excites me about the future of automatic driving in my Model S. However, I think Phillip is a way too distracted when the car is in automatic mode. Maybe I'm being a bit too paranoid about the possible failings of technology but watching videos and reading email seems a little too trusting to me. If/when my Model S is fully autopilot capable on the highway, I intend to still pay full attention to what's going on.
This is a very cool video and excites me about the future of automatic driving in my Model S. However, I think Phillip is a way too distracted when the car is in automatic mode. Maybe I'm being a bit too paranoid about the possible failings of technology but watching videos and reading email seems a little too trusting to me. If/when my Model S is fully autopilot capable on the highway, I intend to still pay full attention to what's going on.
+1000%
No way even the most advanced "automated driving" computer can account for sudden and erratic movements from other drivers, or small to medium hazards in the roadway. I can think of a dozen examples of how this (as demonstrated in the video) would quickly fail causing a potentially fatal accident if the driver is as distracted as "Phil".
Automation == Good. Removing the driver entirely=Bad. Very, Very, Bad.
* Unless every car on the road is similarly automated and *all* humans are removed from the equation. That still doesn't protect against road hazards.
Automation doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be better than human drivers.
Google cars have already been proven to be better than human drivers, even in city streets.
If you can't detach long enough to read an email, what's the point of automatic driving?
Eventually, you should be able to take eyes off the road long enough to read, sleep, rotate the driver chair to face the rear, etc.. That's what I would expect from "automatic driving"
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I don't believe that the Google cars have been "proven" to be better than human drivers. I'm not sure how that's even possible unless you define "better" with some extremely narrow criteria...
Good experiment suggestion. Also instead of wondering if self-driving cars will be better than you, ask yourself if self-driving cars will be better than the person in the car next to you. Ego and cognitive bias hinder an answer to the first question so the answer to the second question is more likely to be accurate.
+1
I think a computer could beat me today and most certainly the idiot next to me. I don't know where all this "never" comes from.
Most accidents are a result of distracted or drunk drivers. A computer is never either of those things.
As always these threads get into pro-autonomous driving and anti-. This being a car forum is over represented with hard core drivers. But also over represented with techies. So both extremes.
I love to drive but I hate the wasted time/attention more than I love to drive.
I believe the federal government is asleep at the wheel here (as most things) and needs to start the process of initiating standards for autopilot and beyond. If manufacturers have rules and standards, it protects them from the legal issues. How we don't have a car to car communication protocol yet is ridiculous. Driving on 95 in NC yesterday showed the folly of human drivers. Going north (other side of road) there was plenty of room to travel 70 mph safely but there were repeated full on stops because of driver anxiety. The wasted time and energy was disgusting to watch.
For all those "drivers" - just look at the wasted time, energy, loss of life, and up to $800 billion a year in economic damages. Is it really worth it?
Just wondering what your best guess is how many years before "eventually" happens? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?? It should also be noted that Elon is very careful to use the phase autopilot and not automatic driving. There is a significant difference especially if you expect to be able to "sleep". I'll pass on that feature:smile:
I don't think automated drivers will *ever* be better than human drivers in our lifetimes, unless, like I said, humans are removed from the equation and all cars are automated on the highway.
I don't believe that the Google cars have been "proven" to be better than human drivers. I'm not sure how that's even possible unless you define "better" with some extremely narrow criteria.
Also, from what I've seen, they work on city streets, but very, very, slowly.
Automated drivers can probably take care of 98% of the routine driving. But it's that pesky 2% they'll never be able to handle, and that's where fatal accidents will happen.