In some parts of Europe, yes. In Norway there is no public 3-phase infrastructure at all, but we have lots of CHAdeMO stations...Originally Posted by Kevin Sharpe
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In some parts of Europe, yes. In Norway there is no public 3-phase infrastructure at all, but we have lots of CHAdeMO stations...
It looks like in Europe, Ideally the car would have a large internal charger (like Zoe) and a CHAdeMO port as well (like Leaf). Shouldn't be that difficult - afterall Model S has them (though proprietary).
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Nissan have said that in future they will supply 3 Phase Type 2 sockets on their CHAdeMO chargers... so in future you will find both at 'fast' charge locations...
Kevin Sharpe - Founder and Patron for UK registered charity Zero Carbon World. Founder and Chairman Mainpine Group. http://about.me/kevinsharpe
What do you expect as "support for supercharge" except Tesla funding and rolling out super chargers? Some third party stepping in? Or do you call for moral support by EU Tesla fans?
Maybe. But we have no Nissan fast chargers here, they are all made by SGTE.
ok let's keep this about the Zoe please.
Since I don't want to distract from the Zoe topic, just a very short answer to your questions: I'm referring to support/demand from utilities/politics/hosts/customers *as portrayed* on this forum. (Let's discuss this on another thread if you want to continue it).
Back to Zoe. Nice little car, very much like the Leaf, in principle.
Buying an EV is one thing, being able to drive it beyond city limits another...
jkirkebo, you really have to stop spreading this BS.
I have told you that all the Transnova funded chargers are explicitly required to be prepared for installation of 44 kW AC. I even linked to the application form. If they don't have that much spare capacity in the incomer they don't get any government money. And the whole country is wired with three phase. Renault claims that their charger (named Chameleon) supports all power up to 43 kW. I'm going to send an email to Renault to ask, but I would be extremely surprised if it does not support 230 V three phase.
*EDIT* It does NOT support IT networks.
If you don't like the lack of actual charging poles, then I think you should try to pressure Transnova, Zero and other organizations that pay for or install charge points to start installing them, instead of insisting that CHAdeMO is the only way forward.
Last edited by eledille; 03-10-2012 at 02:04 PM.
The charge locations might have to be prepared for it power-wise, but there are no sockets supplying it so far. None at all. And while they might require them to prepare for it, I have seen no requirement to actually install any sockets.
Public charge points in streets are ALL 16A single phase. I have hear of no planned 3-phase ones so far.
Personally I'm not buying any car needing an infrastructure that might be installed. Before I bought the Leaf (the first one delivered in Norway), there were several CHAdeMO stations operating in key locations for me.
Also, many of the CHAdeMO chargers are at Nissan dealerships. I don't see them installing Mennekes-sockets for competing cars.
But it's a moot point now anyway, since the Zoe is at least 2 years away from being delivered in Norway. Also the lease-only deal on the battery will make it 25% more expensive here than neccessary. They should rethink that lease-only decision. I'm not leasing anything, that's for sure.
For the record, I would like Nissan to incorporate the chameleon-charger, but also Renault to fit a CHAdeMO-port. Why not have both, then you are set whatever chargers you can reach.
Thanks to Mitrovic, Charlie from ZCW and I got a private showing of the Zoe and the opportunity to ask lots of questions.
Firstly, wow. Renault has done a super job with this car. It's roomy inside for the size, the boot is really big and the general design and build of the interior is excellent.
It has touch screen LCD controls, cruise control and lots of nice touches for a car of this price. Others could learn from the simpliciy of the GUI.
There are three trim levels. Basic has what I said above. 'Zen' has the air diffusor and parking sensors and a bright interior. 'Intense' has parking sensors, camera and a dark interior. The basic is Euro 15k and the other two are Euro 17k Battery lease is Euro 80 / month regardless of annual mileage. All have the 43kW three phase charger and heat pump heating / air con.
This car looks like a lot of fun. It's pretty, too.
If the public doen't buy this, we may as well give up.
Here we are in the Zen version.
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