The New RAV4 EV

[MarkR]

Kind of harsh to refer to the RAV4EV as "non-premium"...

Ca'mon TEG, every EV is "non-premium" compared to the Tesla.

[Larry Chanin]

A different way of saying this, related to the previous discussion, is that the EPA 5-cycle number, when actually measured on a Model S, turns out to be much higher than the @55 mph value multiplied with 0.7. The actual ratio is 265 / 300 = 0.88.

The about same ratio should be applicable to the 160 mile battery. The weight/battery difference between the 40 kWh pack and the 85 kWh pack is addressed by using a conversion of 160/300 instead of 40/85.

Hi Norbert,

Now that we know the range of the 85 kWh pack is 320 miles at 55 mph, not 300 miles, your approach should probably use a conversion of 16o/320. Which comes out to 133 miles for your approach versus 125 miles for mine.

Larry

[Norbert]

Hi Norbert,

Now that we know the range of the 85 kWh pack is 320 miles at 55 mph, not 300 miles, your approach should probably use a conversion of 16o/320. Which comes out to 133 miles for your approach versus 125 miles for mine.

Larry

Actually, 320 miles is for the EPA 2-cycle test. I'm not aware that the @55 mph would have changed. If it did, I guess the 160 mile number would change as well, and the ratio would likely remain the same. So for the time being, with the available information, my estimate for the 5-cycle range for the 40 kWh pack Model S is 141 miles per charge (265 * 160/300).

[Larry Chanin]

Actually, 320 miles is for the EPA 2-cycle test. I'm not aware that the @55 mph would have changed. If it did, I guess the 160 mile number would change as well, and the ratio would likely remain the same. So for the time being, with the available information, my estimate for the 5-cycle range for the 40 kWh pack Model S is 141 miles per charge (265 * 160/300).

Hi Norbert,

True the 320 miles is for the EPA 2-cycle test, but if you examine the Range versus Constant Speed graph you will see that, similar to the Roadster, the 55 mph range very closely approximates the EPA 2-cycle test range results.

I guess we'll just have to wait to see what the actual EPA rating turns out to be, but between our two approaches I think we've pretty much bracketed where the final number should be.

By the way the .7 multiplier guideline is designed by EPA to be conservative. In the event that the car maker has 2-cycle test results, and doesn't wish to go to the delay and expense of adding the extra three cycles, the EPA will apply the .7 multiplier to derive the 5-cycle published ratings. Tesla mentions this potential reduction in range between advertised and EPA ratings in the Annual Report as a worst case scenario when discussing risk factors.

Larry

[Norbert]

True the 320 miles is for the EPA 2-cycle test, but if you examine the Range versus Constant Speed graph you will see that, similar to the Roadster, the 55 mph range very closely approximates the EPA 2-cycle test range results.

I guess we'll just have to wait to see what the actual EPA rating turns out to be, but between our two approaches I think we've pretty much bracketed where the final number should be.

Yes, we'll have to wait for that, also since, for example, we don't have the corresponding graph for the 40 kWh pack (it is a computer model).

By the way the .7 multiplier guideline is designed by EPA to be conservative. In the event that the car maker has 2-cycle test results, and doesn't wish to go to the delay and expense of adding the extra three cycles, the EPA will apply the .7 multiplier to derive the 5-cycle published ratings. Tesla mentions this potential reduction in range between advertised and EPA ratings in the Annual Report as a worst case scenario when discussing risk factors.

Yes, it stated that there was a risk it could be up to 30% lower, I think, and it turned out to be only 11.7% lower. That's quite good, I think, and much better than most casual observers expected. Of course then it will be interesting what the first Model S owners will report as their "real-world" ranges.

[rabar10]

Reminder -- let's keep chatter here on the RAV4-EV.

It's OK to compare range, pack sizes, aero, etc. to the Model S here, but S-specific chatter belongs in its own forum.

Thanks!

[Lloyd]

There has been some discrepancy as to where the Rav 4 EV will be released. Some have reported Los Angeles County San Francisco county etc. Correct is by Sales Region. For example the Los Angeles Sales Region extends all the way to Central California, and 1/2 of the way to San Diego. Check with your local Toyota Dealer to see if they will be getting an allocation of Rav4 EV's .

[Lloyd]

Leviton announces 9.6 kw EVSE to match Rav4's 10 kw charger. 40 amp J1772! This is progress!!

http://www.plugincars.com/leviton-un...ev-121459.html

[Lloyd]

To the moderators: Since delivery of the Rav4 is confirmed with the Tesla drive and components. Should it have a place on the title page of the forum?

[Bradleybang]

Stopped by Tesla Factory yesterday for a quick charge and saw these.