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I am deeply skeptical of the 18 moving parts v 2000 moving parts claim. Would like to see some exposition on that.
I am deeply skeptical of the 18 moving parts v 2000 moving parts claim. Would like to see some exposition on that.
Yeah, there's no way the car has just 18 moving parts. Here's someone's guess, though I have no idea how accurate it is: How many mechanical parts does a Tesla Model S have (including doors, handles, indicator switches, etc.)? - Quora
Let's see here the motor, the first tiny gear (the one directly attached to the motor), the second larger gear (the one attached to the axle), the axle, the four wheels... Ummm does steering and braking count? I could squeeze a few move movements out of that... I would only contest the 18 number because I think it is too high... But from your comment you feel that is too low?
I believe the 18 is referring to the drive train. The motor, reduction gear, spider gears in the dif associated bearings and the axles. It would be good for TM to make a diagram with each part labeled. Imagine doing that in an ICE and its transaxle.
As I said in another thread, my house is full of appliances that are nothing more than electric motors, electric cables, and printed circuits. They fail in a bewildering variety of ways and are not cheap to fix. The mere fact that an electric motor has fewer moving parts than an ICE says little, by itself, about how much its repair costs will be.
And as I also said elsewhere, Telsa will charge me more this year for an annual maintenance visit than I will pay to keep both of my other ICE cars on the road for the year. Combined.
I love the tech and think it's the future. I am just a little skeptical of the claims that it will be so reliable that it will bankrupt car dealer service centers. I mean, in the 50s they predicted nuclear power would one day be too cheap to meter...
I believe the 18 is referring to the drive train. The motor, reduction gear, spider gears in the dif associated bearings and the axles. It would be good for TM to make a diagram with each part labeled. Imagine doing that in an ICE and its transaxle.
Uh I think you need to consider the maintenance of cars for the long term. Average maintenance is $2k\yr for a car outside of warranty. While true, ev has shocks and brakes that need replacement, there are a lot of belts and fluids and mechanical parts in the drive train that account for a lot.As I said in another thread, my house is full of appliances that are nothing more than electric motors, electric cables, and printed circuits. They fail in a bewildering variety of ways and are not cheap to fix. The mere fact that an electric motor has fewer moving parts than an ICE says little, by itself, about how much its repair costs will be.
And as I also said elsewhere, Telsa will charge me more this year for an annual maintenance visit than I will pay to keep both of my other ICE cars on the road for the year. Combined.
I love the tech and think it's the future. I am just a little skeptical of the claims that it will be so reliable that it will bankrupt car dealer service centers. I mean, in the 50s they predicted nuclear power would one day be too cheap to meter...
I should note that I am not even mentioning the battery, which isn't a moving part but is most certainly a wear item. Even assuming Tesla makes significant strides in bringing the costs of those down, they have a long way to go before the battery in my Model S will cost less to replace than the *engine* in my Porsche would.
So, like I said--the tech is great, the car is fantastic, I believe in the company. I just don't believe analysts who suddenly think that it will make automotive repair and maintenance obsolete.
My 911 was $26k for an engine. At least with battery packs it's easier to get them out I'm sure!Friend just got charged 35k for an engine replacement in his m5... Which is slower than a tesla btw.
It will be interesting to see how the independent shop market evolves for EVs generally and for Teslas specifically. Certainly Tesla's current position that it won't make parts generally available would seem to put a damper on development of those shops.
Perhaps you're right about remanufacturing battery packs, but without Tesla's support it sounds like there are some pretty big barriers to doing that on a large scale. Will Tesla support a car with a remanufactured battery pack? I'm guessing the answer (at least right now) is no.