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    Suspicous Listing

    Tesla Model S Performance 85 $62,900 Portland, OR
    I've been talking with the seller and things seem really suspicious. I've already decided to not deal with that seller as I believe it's a scam. I've talked to the guy over the phone and he was very rude and had a heavy accent. There is no listing for the Dealer online other than http://www.KnDautodealers.com. Below is a email conversation I've had with him. Tesla service center in Portland stated it was a policy of theirs not to do inspections on used cars (They can but said anything found cannot be disclosed to new (potential) owner. So I've got a few questions for you all. For someone like me who would rather buy used how can I protect myself when an inspection through Tesla is worthless? How can I protect myself when buying out-of-state. I plan on flying to inspect before payment. I obviously cancelled plane tickets for Portland already due to MAJOR suspicion.

    Hi ------,

    The VIN number is 5YJSA1CN0DFP06153. An out of state sale won’t be a problem.

    I’m going to explain how the process usually works for a client who is not able to come pick an item up straight from our lot.

    First of all you will have to email me your details (name, address, preferred contact phone number and a fax number if you have one). Once we receive your info we will start processing your order and email or fax it over to you. If you agree the terms and have the funds ready to buy you will have to sign the order document and email/fax it back to us. After this you will be sent the payment invoice with our banking info for you to wire the funds towards our company's bank account. Once the bank confirms your payment the shipping procedure will be started. From the moment the Tesla is delivered you will have a 5 business days inspection period, time in which you can drive test it, take it to a service, to a mechanic. Everything you consider to make sure it fits your needs.

    If you decide to keep it you will call and let us know and that’s it, done deal. If you decide against the purchase you will have to call us and let us know. We will send you a full refund including delivery charges and send someone over to pick it up once you receive the refund.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Thanks
    Jeff


    Jeffrey Stevens
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    K & D Auto
    4155 SW Cedar Hills Blvd
    Beaverton, OR 97005
    Phone: (503) 928-7908
    Fax: (503) 206-0924
    www.kndautodealers.com

    kndautodealers@gmail.com







    From: -----
    Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:04 PM
    To: K & D Auto
    Subject: RE: 2013 Tesla S85








    Btw can you send me the vin number? Thanks
    On Jul 14, 2014 8:29 PM, "--------wrote:
    I'm from omaha Nebraska. Would out of state sale be any problem?
    On Jul 14, 2014 5:44 PM, "K & D Auto" <kndautodealers@gmail.com> wrote:
    Thank you for your inquiry on our 2013 Tesla S85. My name is Jeffrey Stevens, and I will be assisting you while shopping with us!
    As of right now, the Tesla is still available at $62,900.

    In reference to our 2013 Tesla S85 VIN #5YJSA1CN0DFP06153. I would rate the overall condition a 10 out of 10. There is no sign of current or previous damage to the car. It is exceptionally nice inside and out. It comes with a clear title.

    Where are you located?

    I look forward to hearing from you soon!

    Sincerely,
    Jeffrey Stevens
    Internet Manager
    K & D Auto









    http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...0414/overview/

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    Well, for one thing it's not a P85 based on that VIN but their ad says "Performance" in the title.

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    If you're suspicious, trying search Oregon's DB.

    Oregon DMV -- Dealer Licensing Lookup

    You can also contact the DMV's complaints department where they might be able to give you a quick hint about the business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgiralt View Post
    Well, for one thing it's not a P85 based on that VIN but their ad says "Performance" in the title.
    Yep. 8th digit = "N" which is the base motor. If it was a P85, that digit would be a "P". Interesting that on all the photos of it on cars.com, not one shows the rear badging.

    Also, does 06513 seem like a low VIN for 2013 manufacture (10th digit = "D" which indicates 2013)? Not sure what VIN they were on by the end of 2012.

    Also, how come the car doesn't show up on the inventory list on their website but is only on cars.com? Agree that it all seems suspicious.
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    Report it to the Beaverton, OR local police and be done with it. I am sure they can either do a local verification or write them up on attempted wire fraud.

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    The cars.com listing also says that it has an 8-cylinder engine. LOL.

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    Also, don't all performance models come with the red brake calipers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBlue88 View Post
    Also, does 06513 seem like a low VIN for 2013 manufacture (10th digit = "D" which indicates 2013)? Not sure what VIN they were on by the end of 2012.
    Other items may be suspicious but that VIN looks legit for 2013. My dad's is in the mid-6000s and was built in February 2013.
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    The "sellers notes" on cars.com says it is an S85, even though the headline says it is a "performance" model.
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    internet whois of KnDautodealers.com shows the site is new and domain name is hosted in China and may be based in Kazakhstan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timf View Post
    Other items may be suspicious but that VIN looks legit for 2013. My dad's is in the mid-6000s and was built in February 2013.
    OK, so right at the beginning of 2013.

    I suspect that "performance" got in there by mistake after seeing the seller's notes. This could be legit, but I would not send money without seeing it in person. A new one configured the same way as an S85 would run about 89K before taxes (includes the wall connector according to the seller's notes). Seems like a steep discount for having < 10,000 miles on it.
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