CARB Considers Eliminating Tesla Model S and Cadillac ELR From CVRP Rebate Program !!

First they took away the fast refueling credit and now this. More evidence CARB is in the pocket of the fool cell industry.

If CARB is looking to trim CVRP costs, they should start by remembering what the purpose is of this program -- to incentivize sales of clean vehicles in California.

Many of the vehicles eligible for a CVRP rebate are compliance EVs. Some of those manufacturers have already decided they won't sell any more than the bare minimum number of EVs for compliance -- the CVRP rebate has ZERO effect on the total number of these compliance EVs that will be sold.

OTOH, Tesla is not only serious about selling EVs, it's they only vehicles they sell. Incentives for Tesla vehicle buyers does stimulate more EV sales, this is readily apparent from Tesla sales in states and countries with the highest EV incentives.

I find this idea stupid. If anything perhaps they should eliminate it for PHEVs like the Volt and PIP. I just don't see why they would want to eliminate it for any full alt fuel vehicle. Just seems counter to the whole point. Whatever.

Has Toyota influenced CARB? Seems they are targeting American cars. Sad....

CalDreamin said:

If CARB is looking to trim CVRP costs, they should start by remembering what the purpose is of this program -- to incentivize sales of clean vehicles in California.

Many of the vehicles eligible for a CVRP rebate are compliance EVs. Some of those manufacturers have already decided they won't sell any more than the bare minimum number of EVs for compliance -- the CVRP rebate has ZERO effect on the total number of these compliance EVs that will be sold.

OTOH, Tesla is not only serious about selling EVs, it's they only vehicles they sell. Incentives for Tesla vehicle buyers does stimulate more EV sales, this is readily apparent from Tesla sales in states and countries with the highest EV incentives.

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CARB argues that the relatively small incentive on an expensive car doesn't factor into the purchasing decision so it is wasted.
If that is correct, then it sounds totally reasonable to me. The fact that countries with really high EV incentives sell lots of Teslas does not contradict them.

I would agree that it won't help the compliance EVs sell either, they should come up with some way to disqualify compliance EVs from getting the rebates.

They shouldn't give the rebate to any car that doesn't sell in at least 25 states. That would take care of the compliance cars and reduce cost some.

Maybe we should just eliminate CARB and save the state a bundle of money. These are the same idiots who banned diesel sales for years when in fact they get much better mileage than gas cars and have lower emissions. They were badly needed in the 70's when the Feds were behind the curve but they have outlived their usefulness. But heaven forbid we ever end a government program

Back in the Roadster era up until 2011, the CARB rebate was $5,000 but, was halved by the time the Model S entered production. It'd only be fair to reduce it across the board to fit within their operating budget rather than leave the MS alone out.

dsm363 said:

They shouldn't give the rebate to any car that doesn't sell in at least 25 states. That would take care of the compliance cars and reduce cost some.

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This! If they really want to advance ZEVs then they should simply enforce that the car should be available outside CA, too. That would make sure that other car makers fess up and get more serious. I would even add the requirement to having the car available in every market the car maker is active in. This way you could expand the impact globally and even get the Germans to do more...

MikeC said:

First they took away the fast refueling credit and now this. More evidence CARB is in the pocket of the fool cell industry.

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Two thumbs up!

Advanced-powertrain vehicle advocates in California and Maryland can rejoice over a chilled glass of Napa Valley's finest white wine and a heaping plate of Baltimore's best crab cakes. That's because both states will continue to make life a little financially sweeter for plug-in vehicle drivers. It's a short-term fix for California but potentially longer-term for Maryland.

The Golden State, which ran out of funds for its zero-emission and plug-in vehicle incentives earlier this month, has cleared another $25 million to take care of vehicle-rebate applicants through June 30, the end of the state's fiscal year, according to the California Air Resources Board (CARB). California provides a $2,500 incentive for zero-emissions cars and $1,500 for plug-in hybrids.


http://green.autoblog.com/2014/05/04/us-rep-wants-ev-tax-credit-increased-10000-dollars/


For now at least the funding is there so the Tesla and ELR will not be nixed from the rebate program.