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    Yep. The big advantage of EVs is the power distribution grid is already in place. No need to build out a new one.

    Once the typical EV has a 200+ mile range instead of <140, most people will charge at home. We just need L2 chargers sprinkled here and there for folks doing longer trips (especially at hotels) and L3 chargers on highway corridors.

    At 200+ miles of range, EV's become practical. Perfectly usable as a second car and can be a primary car if you're careful. The next inflection point is an EV with 600-800 miles of real-world range. At that point, you can literally drive an EV all day, put in 10 hours of L2 charging at night and charge at Superchargers the next day if you need more.

    Affordable 200+ mile range EVs are within reach. We'll probably see 600+ mile EVs within 8 years. Honestly, I don't see how hydrogen can compete.

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    The fact that the fuel cell stack is very expensive - and the cost is directly tied to the power output - means that fuel cell cars will be very power constrained punishment cars.

    I dont think fuel cell cars will ever take off, but if they were for sale in quantity, I can imagine a world where the fuel cell car is the punishment gutless econobox, and the BEV is the high performance car for people who love cars.
    I think that would be hilarious.
    Unfortunately it is far more likely that fuel cell cars will have to be some kind of battery/capacitor hybrid to make them palatable at all - but I still think that battery technology will advance fast enough that burdening a BEV with fuel cell stuff wont be necessary.

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    I'm expecting the HFC supporting companies to massively subsidise them in the first few years. Not by a few thousand like the Prius, but >50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsci View Post
    For this reason the FCX Clarity was dead on arrival and so is the whole idea of fuel cell cars. [...] And battery fires? Just wait until one of these suckers explodes. Fox News will liken it to the Hindenburg, even if it isn't close.
    Yup. Will be much louder than Hindenburg.

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    To mis-quote a recent politician:

    We all know that Hydrogen is not a "legitimate" electric car.

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    lame

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    OMG another "silent" commercial... that'll raise another "EV noisemaker" rabble for sure.
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    Have to admit this was really good. I laughed exactly as they planned.

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    I guess that represents the public being crushed once again by a monolithic fueling infrastructure controlled by big oil and big auto?

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