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Using batteries at the Supercharging stations has been an interesting plan for some time. The only issue of course is the cost of the batteries, but I wonder if Tesla could use older used batteries that have been swapped or turned in for new ones?
Batteries certainly lose capacity both due to cycles and time, but if they are cheap enough, there's not a lot of downside to just stacking up more of them for a stationary application. The Li ion aging curves I've seen seem to show a decreasing rate of charge loss over both cycles and time, and with a steady supply of used batteries, perhaps use at Superchargers for a few years could be a step in the battery life cycle before final recycling.
It’s not going to happen in a year from now. It’s going to be hard. But I think we can get down to five to 10 minutes
The superchargers are rated for up to 133kW input if you look at the label (480V*160A*3^0.5). Apparently this is true of both the 90kW and 120kW versions (some people who have taken a picture of the UL label for the older 90kW version say the ratings are the same for both).I also recently heard from a very credible and experienced Tesla employee that the cars are capable of charging a lot faster than the SuperChargers are currently enabling. In fact, he implied that the existing SuperChargers are not yet at their limits-- that they can in principle go above 120 kW. He stated that Tesla is ramping up the SuperCharging gradually to collect data from the cars and their batteries and make sure they are on solid ground each step of the way.
Does anyone know what the wire gauge is on the cables from the charge port to the battery? (The DC connectors). This would tell us the maximum current that can go through and figure out the max power that can be delivered based on the battery voltage.
Charging in 5 minutes equates to a 6C charge rate.
I wonder what changes in battery chemistry will need to be in place to accommodate that... it's pretty aggressive for most lithium ion cells I know about... but it's interesting to contemplate what sort of special sauce Tesla is aware of coming down the pike.
Yes. I think Tesla considers an optimal charge to be ~80% at the Supercharger. On the new SC page, they mention that charges beyond 80% are much slower than the first 80%.Ah yes... Good point about the tapering... Although Tesla seems to refer to the 90KW SC's as being able to charge the car in "about an hour", so perhaps George is using "idealized" numbers...
Supercharger | Tesla MotorsOptimal Charging
The fastest way to replenish your Model S is to charge to 80% state of charge, which is more than enough for travel between Supercharger stations. Charging the final 20% takes approximately the same amount of time as the first 80% due to a necessary decrease in charging current to help top-off cells. It's somewhat like turning down a faucet in order to fill a glass of water to the top without spilling.
Charging in 5 minutes equates to a 6C charge rate.
You are correct, but Straubel actually said 5 to 10 minutes, so it's 6C-12C.Isn't 1 hour divided by 5 minutes equal to 12, not 6?
i.e., shouldn't you need at least 12C to get from empty to full in 5 minutes?
Isn't 1 hour divided by 5 minutes equal to 12, not 6?
i.e., shouldn't you need at least 12C to get from empty to full in 5 minutes?