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Electric Motor choices - rethinking AC induction motors

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Bianco

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When discussing the electric motor for an EV or Hybrid, the main two talked about are either Permanent Magnet, or 3-phase AC Induction. Both have drawbacks.

The "3" phase motor has now expanded to include a new "Multi-phase" AC induction motor that can operate in ways that a 3-phase cannot.

Example, if using a standard 3 Phase AC electric motor
Option 1 (Alternator) – High speed, Low torque HS/LT
Option 2 (Starter) – Low Speed, High torque LS/HT
Option 3 (Combo) – must be “oversized” to provide both HS/LT & LS/HT (and is therefore more expensive)

The new multi-phase motor/drive, called Chorus Meshcon, co-opts the harmonics that limit motor performance and that typically cause motor heating. This means a Chorus multi-phase motor can generate far more ‘burst’ and ‘startup’ torque than its conventional brethren, up to ten times the torque of a comparable electric motor. And this torque is the type that is needed for only 10-15 seconds at a time and then only on rare occasions, like when going from a dead stop to joining the highway.

This improved “torque” is key to rethinking the use of an AC induction motor in hybrid or electric vehicles. Chorus Meshcon accomplishes this greater startup, or ‘burst,’ torque by changing both the layout and the software of a standard AC induction motor, with the software "reconfiguring" the motor on the fly, which enables it to smoothly change from behaving like a high-torque low-speed motor to behaving like a low-torque high-speed motor - all without the need for efficiency-robbing physical gearing. This motor effectively provides a ‘Virtual Transmission’ between high speed/low torque operation and the opposite

More information on this electric motor can be found at Chorus Motors plc.

Also, Delta Airlines is going to be putting this motor on their Boeing 737NGs starting 2010 (www.Wheeltug.com)
The press release can be found here

This motor also provides some other advantages such as simplifying the cooling system (can be air cooled) and simplifying the transmission, saving both weight and expense.
 
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When discussing the electric motor for an EV or Hybrid, the main two talked about are either Permanent Magnet, or 3-phase AC Induction. Both have drawbacks.


Can someone give a rundown of how the vehicle maker goes about choosing the motor for an EV? You have the Prius with neodymium-iron-boron permanent magnet motor and the tesla roadster using a 3-phase 4-pole induction motor.

What differentiates the two?

Thanks
 
JB Straubel, chief technology officer at Tesla Motors, said his company decided to develop and produce its own A.C. induction motor for the Roadster model rather than buy and modify a motor made by an outside vendor.

Development of motors requires big capital investments, Mr. Straubel said, but for Tesla it’s critical to what he called the “synergy of the electric powertrain,” or how the battery, e-motor, control electronics and charging system function as a unit.

“You start to have big inefficiencies if you buy a motor from a vendor,” he said.

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Can someone give a rundown of how the vehicle maker goes about choosing the motor for an EV? You have the Prius with neodymium-iron-boron permanent magnet motor and the tesla roadster using a 3-phase 4-pole induction motor.

What differentiates the two?

Thanks

Does anyone want to elaborate more on this question?

Tesla uses AC induction motors. So does the RangerEV.
But some other EVs like the original Rav4EV and Leaf use permanent magnet motors.
 
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/induction-versus-dc-brushless-motors

I think most here probably have read the above article before, but just a quick summary.

AC Induction:
+ Average efficiency possibly higher (magnetic and conduction losses can be traded off)
+ Better for performance (losses don't necessarily grow with size)
- Control more difficult (maybe more development costs)

Permanent Magnet / AC Synchronous / DC Brushless:
+ Peak efficiency higher (Unity power factor vs 85% for induction)
+ Rotor cooling easier
- Magnets expensive/supply constrained (e.g. China's control)
- Magnetic losses increase with machine size (bad for performance)
- Difficult to handle because of strong magnet

Looking at motors of modern vehicles, PM seems to dominate by a huge margin. Some of these use stock PM motors from companies like UQM. Given the results I think it may be that PM motors are actually cheaper or made in higher volume.

I think the results also give credence to induction being better performance (probably higher power density). The MINI-E has 150kW (204hp) vs the Active E 127 kW(170hp). The Model S will probably get 300kW with a single relatively small induction motor, while the Fisker needs to use dual UQM 150kW PM motors to get 300kW.

Looking at future high performance EVs with synchronous motors, they all use multiple motors:
Audi E-tron Frankfurt 4 motors for 230kW total (57.5kW each)
Audi E-tron Detroit 2 motors for 150kW total (75kW each)
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG E-Cell 4 motors for 392 kW (98kW each)

AC Induction:
MINI-E
Tesla Roadster
Tesla Model S
Think City

PM/ AC Synchronous / DC Brushless:
BMW ActiveE
BYD F3DM
Chevrolet Volt
Coda Sedan
Ford Focus EV
Fisker Karma
Mitsubshi iMIEV
Mercedes-Benz A-Class E-Cell
Nissan Leaf
Renault Fluence Z.E.
Smart ed
Tata Intica Vista EV
Toyota Prius PHV
+ pretty much all hybrids and HFCVs
 
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