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    I live with a lot of snow and have no concerns. 21 inch rims for 4 months and 19 inches with Nokian (canola oil) winter tires for 8 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry33 View Post
    Tesla did cold weather testing on the Model S this winter. Unfortunately, they did not release any details so what you see in the video is all the information there is. The Roadster is quite a different vehicle (lighter, different battery placement) so it doesn't really have any bearing on how the Model S will handle.
    I think you might be a little misinformed Jerry. There are a number of similarities to the Roadster that shed light on how the S will do in snow. Electric drive combined with good sensors and software will beat a similar ICE vehicle hands down. Quick response time, ability to turn wheels extremely slow, continuously variable torque based on available traction independent of speed, no jerky motion to initiate slip (such as transmission shifting) are all qualities that are shared with the Roadster and contribute to great winter handling. Having said that, I think the Roadster will perform better in some cases because it has a higher percentage of its weight over the drive wheels. And in some instances the S will perform better because the suspension will not be as stiff. You'll notice this advantage on uneven ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry33 View Post
    With vehicle stability control, traction control and the weight of the battery being even on both axles, the winter ability should be quite good (probably better than many 4x4 vehicles) if proper tires are installed. The main concern is that Tesla chose to equip the Model S with 19" and 21" wheels rather than more sensible 15" or 16" wheels. The 19" tires should perform satisfactorily if proper tires are chosen but had they chosen 15" or 16" wheels the Model S would eat up almost every other vehicle out there. The 21" will be quite poor in winter conditions, so don't get those.
    Larger tires actually help with winter traction. It's only a problem if you are restricted to very low profile tires which might be the case. But really that's a body problem, not a wheel size problem. I agree with your other comments in this paragraph.

    I'm looking forward to the adjustable air suspension to raise the Model S when it gets deep. That would have prevented me from plowing snow a couple times in the Roadster last winter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcsharp View Post
    I think you might be a little misinformed Jerry. There are a number of similarities to the Roadster that shed light on how the S will do in snow. Electric drive combined with good sensors and software will beat a similar ICE vehicle hands down. Quick response time, ability to turn wheels extremely slow, continuously variable torque based on available traction independent of speed, no jerky motion to initiate slip (such as transmission shifting) are all qualities that are shared with the Roadster and contribute to great winter handling. Having said that, I think the Roadster will perform better in some cases because it has a higher percentage of its weight over the drive wheels. And in some instances the S will perform better because the suspension will not be as stiff. You'll notice this advantage on uneven ground.
    Okay, that sounds reasonable.


    Quote Originally Posted by hcsharp View Post
    Larger tires actually help with winter traction. It's only a problem if you are restricted to very low profile tires which might be the case. But really that's a body problem, not a wheel size problem.
    I guess we need to define larger. That was my fault for being imprecise. Larger overall diameter tires with the same tread width will perform better because the angle between the contact patch and the free radius is smaller. This helps keep the tire from digging in if the snow is soft and allows the tire to conform to the road surface if the snow is hard. If the tread width is wider but the tire is the same diameter, forward and braking traction will be reduced because there are fewer traction pieces (blocks and sipes) on the ground lined up one after another (like cleats on a tracked vehicle) and the tire will tend to hop and slide over irregularities rather than conform to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hcsharp View Post
    I'm looking forward to the adjustable air suspension to raise the Model S when it gets deep. That would have prevented me from plowing snow a couple times in the Roadster last winter!
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    I am interested in hearing about real world experiences with the Model S in cold weather, and snow. Now that we are in December, someone must have encountered some inclement weather. We've had a bit of snow in Ontario, Canada, but no Model S deliveries yet.

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    There was a Model S here in Ottawa the other day. The side streets here are icy. He wasn't having any trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj905 View Post
    I am interested in hearing about real world experiences with the Model S in cold weather, and snow. Now that we are in December, someone must have encountered some inclement weather. We've had a bit of snow in Ontario, Canada, but no Model S deliveries yet.
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    No snow accumulation here yet. Just melting variety so far. Very warm today in the mid fifties.

    I am waiting impatiently to see how my over powered electric car drives in the snow.

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    RWD Model S Winter Performance Reports

    I know that it has been well established that the Roadster with its TC plus a good set of tires does an admirable job climbing slippery roads. I assume that the Model S would perform as well if not better in these conditions. Now that winter is setting in I thought this would be the ideal time to start collecting Model S owner reports/videos of how the the car performs on slippery climbs of driveways and mountains. Please include which tires you are using in your report. Thanks.

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    No snow/ice reports yet, but I can confirm that with 30-35 deg F ambient (-1 to +1 deg C), I have had no problems with the 21" performance wheels on my model S on wet roads. Traction control has kicked in but I feel comfortable with it even though I can feel tires spin very rarely.

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    Have had a test drive In Oslo.
    -8*C, fresh snow, slippery conditions and 19" wheels. Not sure About the tires as its their demo car, but its not Nokian Hakkapelliita, I rememver that much.

    Personally i think the Traction control is awesome! I tried a zero - 60km/h kickdown going uphill ( started In the middle). It went absolutely fine! No drama! Just a slow(er), easy, smooth acceleration. Car didn't seem nervous at all. Had a few 0-60 runs aswell on average snow covered roads, performs superior.

    On normal driving you will notice that it is a rear wheel drive vehicle, and you certainly do take notice its a beast on batterymunchies- yet i feel as comfortable In it as In my Saab!


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