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    How many new jobs has Tesla created around the Model S?

    As a comeback to my politically conservative friends who seem to be addicted to ICE's and threatened by the government's loans to Tesla, does anyone know how many jobs have been created around the Model S? I think it's in the thousands but I'd like the real number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsci View Post
    As a comeback to my politically conservative friends who seem to be addicted to ICE's and threatened by the government's loans to Tesla, does anyone know how many jobs have been created around the Model S? I think it's in the thousands but I'd like the real number.
    If you friends are "threatened" by loans how do they feel about Government Motors and Chrysler?

    Besides - according to Obama - Telsa, and any other company for that matter, can't create jobs without the Government FIRST building the infrastructure to do so - so therefor Tesla didn't create the jobs, the Government did!

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    You're going to have a hard time with these kind of arguments. Regardless of how effective (or ineffective) the result of a DOE loan is, people with their minds set will always religiously go with the mantra "it would've been better without government intervention". If Tesla currently employs ~1000 people and grows to be a large automotive corporation in the future, the same people will still extol that the overall situation would've been even better without the DOE loan; that either another company would've taken the EV torch so that the $400M loan could've been used for "better" purposes.

    The problem with any of these discussions is that there's no empirical way to test these assertions; it's not possible to turn back time and reproduce this scenario with and without the DOE loan. Without such, there's no way to conclude whether the DOE loan was helpful or harmful in either the short-term or long-term. I think all of us here can agree that moving to EV and renewable energy is a positive move for the U.S. and the world as a whole.

    So I guess my advice is, stop arguing with your conservative friends

    Politics on this type of scale resemble religious beliefs far more than scientific studies; it's difficult if not impossible to actually measure the results in a controlled environment in order to reach a conclusion of what works and what doesn't.

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    We are way OT from artsci's question (about employment thanks to Tesla) but, here's an interesting read from IEEE about Govt. helping spawn/spread many pathbreaking technologies of the day:

    Your Engineering Heritage: The U.S. Federal Government and Innovation, a Brief History

    It's not all black and white in my opinion; Govt. does have a role to play to nudge nascent (and usually capital-intensive) innovations forward. We are not talking tablets and smartphones here!
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    Since I started this topic, I guess I can take it further off topic.

    Having spent a lot of time in China and also having worked on consulting assignment for Shenhua Energy Group, China's largest vertically-integrated power enterprise, I no longer buy the argument that government investment/intervention makes little difference. One of the reason's the Chinese are eating our lunch is precisely because of government intervention, direction, and investment. And many of the companies eating our lunch are state-owned enterprises. China's version of "communism" would make Lenin roll over in his grave. It's really state-guided capitalism. My guess is that if Tesla were in China, the government would be going full bore to invest in the company to see that China controlled the electric car market worldwide.

    I know things in China are further complicated by theft of IP, corruption (which makes our corruption look lame), environmental devastation, and many other troubling concerns, but without development of wise government incentives, we'll slip further and further behind. Corporate research budgets in the U.S today are a shadow of what they were a decade or two ago. Who's going to fill the void?

    Now back to my original question. Or perhaps I can ask it a different way. How many people does Tesla Motors employ?

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    I just answered my own question. The sources I found say that Tesla has about 1,400 employees. At the rate the company appears to be hiring I'm sure that number is growing every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsci View Post
    I just answered my own question. The sources I found say that Tesla has about 1,400 employees. At the rate the company appears to be hiring I'm sure that number is growing every day.
    That's direct employees, but when these things are calculated, they regularly include employees at suppliers, vendors, etc., not to mention people who work near the factory (sandwich shops, bike stores etc.) who are thriving because the plant has hundreds of people working there. When they talk about the auto industry bailout saving over a million jobs, it's not just the employees of the big 3, but all these others as well. I think for the big 3 they say there are 2 or 3 other jobs for every one job at Ford/Gm/Chrysler, so Tesla can probably claim 5000 or something, plus they're still hiring.

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    That 1,400-something (as noted on Wikipedia and TSLA's profile on Yahoo Finance) is as of December 2011:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

    This was well before the factory staffing in 2012 and the product-specialist/ownership/delivery-experience/service personnel hiring this year. Am guessing nudging 3,000 employees now.

    Tesla's own website says 2,000+ but, as we know, their website doesn't get too much love:

    About Tesla | Tesla Motors

    All the same, echo Josh's comments about the additional employment generated in the entire Tesla ecosystem - even in Japan at Panasonic.
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    Knowing Elon, I'd expect a # during the earnings call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discoducky View Post
    Knowing Elon, I'd expect a # during the earnings call.
    The day before the election at that
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