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Old 06-22-2009, 11:09 AM   #141
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Haven't read it fully yet, but what lawyer would call posting this a good idea?
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To me, the crux of TM's contribution to EVs is the laptop battery idea, of using these small commodity cells to construct a single, large battery. Without that, the other innovations TM brought to market were really re-takes on old idea. For some reason, I had always thought that the laptop battery idea came from ME. However, one major point from Musk's blog post is that AC Propulsion seems to have had the original idea. Two entities -- those backed by Ian Wright and ME -- went about commercializing it, and Musk chose to fund ME's. (EM says he never spoke with Wright.) If this claim proves correct, then ME's founder claim -- and the underlying claim to being the idea's originator -- becomes weakened, perhaps considerably. ME becomes a businessman, not a visionary. ME had a corporation, EM had the money, and only with the two together could TM become a reality.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:15 AM   #143
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Haven't read it fully yet, but what lawyer would call posting this a good idea?
It's not a good idea from a lawsuit perspective. It is, however, probably a good idea from a public relations perspective. Ultimately, I think ME's case is tenuous, so the blog post probably won't harm EM.
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I hope EM got permission to publicly post all those private emails from others. If not, then that's very bad form.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:23 AM   #145
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Haven't read it fully yet, but what lawyer would call posting this a good idea?
I am sure that Elon's lawyer read it and approved it prior to being posted.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:28 AM   #146
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:30 AM   #147
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To me, the crux of TM's contribution to EVs is the laptop battery idea, of using these small commodity cells to construct a single, large battery. Without that, the other innovations TM brought to market were really re-takes on old idea. For some reason, I had always thought that the laptop battery idea came from ME. However, one major point from Musk's blog post is that AC Propulsion seems to have had the original idea. Two entities -- those backed by Ian Wright and ME -- went about commercializing it, and Musk chose to fund ME's. (EM says he never spoke with Wright.) If this claim proves correct, then ME's founder claim -- and the underlying claim to being the idea's originator -- becomes weakened, perhaps considerably. ME becomes a businessman, not a visionary. ME had a corporation, EM had the money, and only with the two together could TM become a reality.
If true, a lot of those who follow him like Steve Jobs will be heartbroken... or not.

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It's not a good idea from a lawsuit perspective. It is, however, probably a good idea from a public relations perspective. Ultimately, I think ME's case is tenuous, so the blog post probably won't harm EM.
If what he say is true, it does change the game, but I do get the sense that SOME bits he glossed over.. like the production number issue

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I hope EM got permission to publicly post all those private emails from others. If not, then that's very bad form.
I was thinking that too.

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I am sure that Elon's lawyer read it and approved it prior to being posted.
Probably, but I was always under the impression that you keep everything to yourself until things come to trial or whatever.

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I hereby officially remove my support for this company. It is bound to fail because of egos in charge. Sad.
So you wanted a Model S because of who was running the company or because of the car?
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:31 AM   #148
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Wow! If only they spent this much time and space writing to the Model S waitlist (I know that's for another thread, but I couldn't resist).

A couple of noteworthy quotes. First,

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JB was recognized as 2008 innovator of the year by MIT for his work on the Roadster and, by any reasonable definition of the word, should certainly be considered a member of the founding team of Tesla, along with Eberhard, Tarpenning, Wright and me.
So EM considers himself a "founder" in this broader sense. This isn't a bad position to take legally -- I doubt there's a formal definition of "founder", and if he can reasonably call himself a "founder", then ME's whole case is pretty much shot.

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Michael Marks (email D below) and the Tesla board at the time — which included someone that Eberhard himself had placed there, the head of Chicago-based Valor Equity Group and the managing partners of two major Silicon Valley venture firms — agreed unanimously that Eberhard should no longer be a part of Tesla. We considered filing legal action against him, but felt that there was little to be gained. The company needed to focus on fixing its problems and a lawsuit against the former CEO would not help our cause.
This smells like a countersuit to me, which is basically where, as part of defending a claim, a defendant(s) bring claims against the plaintiff, in this case ME. That's unfortunate, because it makes it much more difficult to settle a case when there are more claims flying back and forth.

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It is also curious that Eberhard would choose to file his lawsuit now, almost two years after the date he claims he was wronged, on the heels of Tesla receiving a cash infusion from Daimler.
The not so veiled insinuation is that ME only chose to file his claim because (a) Tesla now has deep(er) pockets thanks to Daimler's investment, and (b) they may be more anxious to settle because Daimler wouldn't want to be associated with such an ugly situation.

I'm pretty certain EM did this over the objections of his lawyers, which means that ME's Complaint, and the ensuing publicity, likely got under EM's skin. Unfortunately for ME, that may be the high water mark for him in this case. Again, I have no rooting interest in this case one way or another, but am just analyzing it as an interested third party with experience in these types of cases.
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Thanks for posting! I am glad to see this kind of communication from Elon and by extension, Tesla Motors.

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:34 AM   #150
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I hereby officially remove my support for this company. It is bound to fail because of egos in charge. Sad.
They are currently in legal battle! This is a time of support! Comments need to be closed. That was an announcement not a conversation.
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