Martin Eberhard sues Elon Musk and Tesla Motors - Page 14

AnOutsider · 06-18-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vfx

The secrets listed here could be talking about Martin

seriously? a bit infatuated are we?

vfx · 06-18-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AnOutsider

a bit infatuated are we?

Nice to see you have seen the light!

dpeilow · 06-21-2009, 06:50 AM

The response: Tesla Says Lawsuit by Deposed Co-Founder Is "Twisted and Wrong"

xcelero.ii · 06-21-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AnOutsider

Where has Elon stated he was the founder? Everyone is lashing out at cleverly-worded phrases but are doing the same here...

The law suit shows other publications referring to Elon as the founder. Elon never said he's the founder as far as I know, he's not listed as a founder on the site, and as far as I know he has never said Martin is NOT a founder.

I realize a lot of folks here are from the early days of TM and followed Martin similar to how people follow Steve Jobs, but let's step back a moment and gain some perspective. Too many people are taking this all too personally

I'm here to discuss TM not the highschool drama between EM and ME, if this keeps spilling into every thread, this board will become just as bad as the sucking up people say goes on at the official Tesla forums only on the opposite side.

BUMP!

I couldn't agree more!

I've been purposely staying away from this one.

But just to underscore the point, Elon has never stated he was the founder; and never made a mention that Martin was not. Not to many ways to slice this.

Serge · 06-22-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by xcelero.ii

BUMP!
But just to underscore the point, Elon has never stated he was the founder;

You may be interested reading this interview at TSC Daily

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MUSK: Yes. I'm chairman and principal founder of Tesla Motors ...

or the following one

I happen to remember these interviews, because I commented at the time of reading/watching them. Somebody with better search skills will probably find more instances.

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and never made a mention that Martin was not. Not to many ways to slice this.

Promoting oneself as "the principal founder" demotes the co-founders to "two guys hired to build a prototype". Agreed, not many ways to slice this ...

AnOutsider · 06-22-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Serge

You may be interested reading this interview at TSC Daily

or the following one

I happen to remember these interviews, because I commented at the time of reading/watching them. Somebody with better search skills will probably find more instances.

Promoting oneself as "the principal founder" demotes the co-founders to "two guys hired to build a prototype". Agreed, not many ways to slice this ...

Welcome to the forums. Fair enough on the first one (though I think it's cleverly worded, but won't get into that), as for the second I do believe it's been discussed that he said FUNDED and not founded.

My original point stands: this isn't high school, let's align with the company and product not the soap opera that goes on behind it.

xcelero.ii · 06-22-2009, 09:58 AM

My views are NOT directed toward anyone specifically but at the argument as whole. Don't take it in any way personally!

To begin, I'm not even sure the term "principal founder" is one that is widely expressed. For me it makes about as much sense as cheese in a baby's diaper.

Those of us with our switch on, know that you are either the Founder or one of the "Co-Founders".

If the word Principal is being used, you can bet it's being followed by funder and not founder!

And if you are in anyway cultured, you will notice that Elon has a slight accent. And because of this I've even found myself rewinding with the volume up with my ear to the speakers and he is in fact saying funder and NOT founder.

You must also realize that the consistently inaccurate gobs in media have used each opportunity to address Elon as the founder when no document from Tesla or otherwise states he is.

And yes, I agree, he could have corrected them.

But I'm sure anyone who has bothered to Google the word Tesla, has noticed just how many sites--who continue to cover Tesla--flocked at their mistakes and changed the wording around quickly.

My only fault is that Tesla PR and/or EM himself did not find an appropriate way to articulate and address the mistakes and that I can agree upon.

What I can't agree upon is the wishy-washy nonsense about Elon trying to defame Martin. Blah! Wikipedia, Tesla Motors, and everyone else who doesn't just jot down stupid nonsense can see Martin clearly credited for his founding.

I hate no one and wish Martin success because he is quite brilliant.

At the end of the day, it's all just beans. What I want is great cars from a great company with great people!

Hugh!

*LOL. I don't know what else to say.*

stopcrazypp · 06-22-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AnOutsider

Welcome to the forums. Fair enough on the first one (though I think it's cleverly worded, but won't get into that), as for the second I do believe it's been discussed that he said FUNDED and not founded.

My original point stands: this isn't high school, let's align with the company and product not the soap opera that goes on behind it.

I do remember him saying principal funder in a couple of interviews. It doesn't seem like he's actively saying he's the founder, but he just doesn't correct people when they say he is. I don't know how liable he'll be for that.