Cobos

It's the last 10 or so posts as of 13:00 GMT+1 on Doing our part. There's comments from Martin on most of those posts.

Cobos

doug

Yes, Carolyn is referring to Martin's comments near the end of Doing Our Part blog. I'd start with his response to "Comment by Chris Harvey May 2, 2008 @ 11:40 am."

Unfortunately with Martin's blog there are a few people there who get off topic and rather long winded after only the first few comments. I tend to just do a search (Ctrl+F) for "Martin sez" since I'm mostly interested in what he has to say anyway.

Chris H.

Doug,

you are correct sir! It's tough trying to keep some of those guys "on topic" .

I'm glad to see that this issue of VIN #s and P #s being out of sequence is getting some attention. I read the TM blogs and it's as if most of those people have forgotten about Martin and his contribution to the company and the car. It bothers me on a personal level. Anyway...

All the best,

Chris H.

Chris H.

Since it appears that the TM site is now censoring my posts (my latest has been stuck in "moderation limbo" since 5:55 am PST while later posts are showing up) I will attempt to post it here. It was a response to a poster called Kevin Harney. Here goes:

Kevin,


I appreciate your response to my question, however I think that you are missing the big picture here. I know what Darryl said in his post. I also know what he skillfully and intentionally omitted. I would just like Mr. Siry to go on record in a public forum, in front of his customers and potential future customers, as to if Tesla Motors built P2 and P3 (and possibly others) out of VIN # sequence, and what the REAL reason was for doing this.

If you are getting all, or most, of your information from the Tesla Motors site, then you are missing a lot. Try looking at the Tesla Founders Blog, or the Tesla Motors Club site and you will see what I mean.

BTW, I understand that Darryl Siry is in a difficult position. He has his dream job, and he doesn’t want to lose it. However, he is fully aware of what happens to Tesla employees that oppose the will of Chairman Musk. He is doing what he believes he has to in order to keep his dream job, and unfortunately that includes willfully misleading loyal Tesla supporters. I do not envy him his task, but I also do not condone his actions.

All the best,

Chris H.


Hopefully you guys are a bit more open minded...

paco3791

I like your last paragraph. I think that this is a valid line of reasoning and I can't say exactly what I would do if put in a similar position. There was a time when I was seriously considering appling for a job at Tesla, and while I am still very interested in working on production electric cars some day I'm fairly sure that Tesla will not be that company. Still an interesting thought experiment.

Chris H.

I may be wrong about this, but...

It looks like I've been blocked from the Tesla Motors blog. I posted this morning at 5:55 am PST. My post is still "awaiting moderation" (14 hrs later), but in the meantime several other posts have gone up.

So, let this be a lesson to all you pesky curious types out there. Don't ask any awkward questions, and certainly don't say anything that could be construed as patronizing about DS. Make sure that it's just peppy, and upbeat, and slavishly congratulatory towards DS and ZD, and you'll be just fine...

Of course, I could be a bit paranoid! We'll see what happens tomorrow.

All the best,

Chris H.

siry

Chris - I just posted your comment and replied to it. If the moderator thinks something is questionable she/he defers it until I can look at it, which is often many hours later. This whole thread is complete nonsense and the hypocrisy of the personal attacks made here in the name of unjust treatment of people is amazing.

I have tried to stick with this discussion forum since I believe in engaging in a dialogue with people and adding value by providing information directly from the company, but this has gotten ridiculous. It's impossible to try to engage in dialogue amidst the personal attacks, interminable bitterness and accusations.

Therefore, I am signing out for good from this forum and wish you all the best.

Dogtown

How's that for a self fulfilling prophecy. We have now lost our last link to Tesla Motors. It's all kinda crazy don't you think?

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X-CEOsWife

Funny how Mr. Siry never answer my question about how Martin's car is being shipped. However he got into a rant about how unfairly HE has been treated.

If Mr. Siry ever needs to feel untreated fairly, he needs come live at my house for a day! Are all of the Founder' Series owners being treated the same? WHY does he has his dream job? Because MARTIN started Tesla? Did he forget where his job came from? Has Martin been treated fairly? I dare Mr. Siry to call me and talk to me directly. He has my phone number, or maybe he doesn't since it is that same as Martin's.

If Mr. Siry ever needs to see personal attacks, he might read his own words on the San Jose Mercury News. Isn't that why Tesla had to issue the apology?

The Emperor is not wearing any clothes!

Carolyn

Chris H.

Carolyn,

You said: " The Emperor is not wearing any clothes!"

I'm glad that you said it and not me, as I'm sure that he would have construed it as another "personal attack"!

Please answer this. If somebody lies to you, or deliberately misleads you, and you call them on it, does that constitute a personal attack? Should you just remain silent and respect their "right" to be cavalier with the truth? I think that's how we ended up with G.W. in the White House isn't it?

Darryl is obviously trying to spin this to make me, and others, look like paranoid conspiracy theorists that should be ignored by "decent" people. He deflected the questions that were asked of him. However, he also inadvertently revealed another past deception on his part. He said:

"I was the one who called Martin personally months ago and told him that VINF003 had already been started when we put VINF002 on the line."

So, now we find out that regular production began before March 17th 2008. Although DS did not give a specific date that he made the phone call, I think that Martin will confirm that it was before March 17th. How's that for conspiracy?

Anyway, I know that the good people here at Tesla Motors Club are probably not amused by this drama, so I'll leave it here.

All the best,

Chris H.