Project Better Place - Page 6

TEG · 11-21-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DDB

If anything IMO there needs to be a "universal" type charging port with a Tesla adapter, PBP adapter, 110, 220, and adapters for whoever else is entering into production in the next 2 years PLUS A METER FOR CHARGING MONEY AND USE because it's coming sooner or later.

Would it be too much to ask for the "universal" plug to include Avcon for my RangerEV and the Tango? Somehow I think they will probably do a new standard for next gen EVs and let the old standards fade away.

vfx · 11-21-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TEG

Would it be too much to ask for the "universal" plug to include Avcon for my RangerEV and the Tango? Somehow I think they will probably do a new standard for next gen EVs and let the old standards fade away.

Yes.

Seriously, Backwards compatible tech can seriously hurt new formats for a long time. (look at NTSC) I would ask how many public vehicles and how many chargers are there? Is it worth it? I'd rather give you $500 one time through the DMV to pay for backwards adaptors. Seriously.

TEG · 11-21-2008, 11:52 AM

An adapter would be fine. I just fear no way to hook up at all.

vfx · 11-21-2008, 12:39 PM

SF, Oakland, SJ's nine point plan released:

Mayor Office Press Room

Project Bette Place now Global Electric Transportation Company??

TEG · 11-21-2008, 07:05 PM

Thanks, VFX. That is a very "cool" development for us NorCal EV fans.

The article talks about "110V" as "low voltage".
I see the term "low voltage" used to describe 12V halogen lighting stepped down from 110V, so talking about 110V as "low voltage" seems a little weird.
Basically if it can shock me when I touch it I don't like to call it low voltage!

Looking online I find NEC Defintion of low voltage: "voltage between 50 and 600 V. [SEMI S2-91]", so even the Tesla 240V@70AMP is still technically "low voltage". I suppose the term has relative meaning depending on what you are describing in compared to something else.
From the NECs perspective, homes and businesses only ever deal with low voltage unless you are a power company running "high tension" distribution lines.

dpeilow · 12-01-2008, 03:27 AM

Better Place to Build First U.S. Electric Vehicle Network in Bay Area Earth2Tech

DDB · 12-01-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dpeilow

Better Place to Build First U.S. Electric Vehicle Network in Bay Area Earth2Tech

Wow...that's a lot of money. I understand the Bay Area wants to be the pilot project of the Nation, but why not start it on a smaller scale? Couldn't they do it for 100 m. or so for swapping stations--just a few like they are doing with hydrogen stations? I mean really, how many EVs--compatible with PBP's stations will be on the road by 2010?

vfx · 12-01-2008, 09:33 AM

I like the end (paraphrased),

No noise, no engine, no tailpipe, no emissions. It's a no brainer.

graham · 12-04-2008, 08:10 AM

Couldn't figure out if this should go in a Project Better Place thread or maybe that talk Martin gave a year or so ago to Hawaii explaining why it was a great place for electric cars. Mods: Please move this if appropriate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/te...nptB+tWJDMo6OQ

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The State of Hawaii and the Hawaiian Electric Company on Tuesday endorsed an effort to build an alternative transportation system based on electric vehicles with swappable batteries and an “intelligent” battery recharging network.

The plan, the brainchild of the former Silicon Valley software executive Shai Agassi, is an effort to overcome the major hurdles to electric cars — slow battery recharging and limited availability.

By using existing electric car technologies, coupled with an Internet-connected web of tens of thousands of recharging stations, he thinks his company, Better Place L.L.C. of Palo Alto, Calif., will make all-electric vehicles feasible.

vfx · 12-04-2008, 08:50 AM

I love the idea of millions of worldly (and redneck) island tourists learning the perfection of Electric cars. The furtive manner it which it will spread will be sublime.