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Old 11-18-2008, 07:05 PM   #31
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Senator rips auto industry at bailout hearing - Nov. 18, 2008
Doesn't look likely that it will pass. I guess we'll see.

I think it depends if they find that the automakers can turn themselves around with the $25 billion or if it just prolongs their demise.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:06 PM   #32
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This is now even making out mainstream evening news: BBC NEWS | Business | US car firms ask for $25bn aid
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:53 PM   #33
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I watched the Senate hearing today.

I was amazed by Gettelfinger's (President of UAW) arrogance. He basically said "we did our negotiations last year. We made concessions and now these guys (Big3) need your money to pay us."

Please read this article from 2007
UAW contract: All the details | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press


My favorite parts:
"The UAW said GM will pay $29.9 billion in cash and other assets into the trust, which Gettelfinger assured his members, will remain solvent for 80 years, regardless of GM's financial condition."

"The Center for Automotive Research estimates that the Detroit automakers spend an average of $63.65 an hour on hourly production, not counting its buyout and jobs bank costs, while Toyota spends an average of $47.50."

So the "Average" Big3 worker makes $63 X 40 hours X 52 weeks = $131k plus full health care with no co pay + retirement benefits + guarantee of no layoffs without compensation.

With all extra employee cost (health care /retirement / training/ layoff funding / and who knows what else) the big3 gotta be running north of $150k per annual worker.

So even if the big3 get the $25B+ they will never be competitive.
It has and will continue to show up in the products. If the cost to mfg is 20% more than your competition then you must skimp on product r&d and materials in order to hope to be close in price.

The consumer has seen this operation for the last 30 years and has made a choice.

If congress wants to "give away" money they should cut out the middle man. Make check payable to: UAW

I Hope they are not given the money and are forced into some negotiated reorganization.

If any of them go to bankruptcy court, then the Feds can step in and seize all warranty funds. Then Feds could guaranty all U.S. consumers that their warranty's are valid and backed by U.S.A. and will be for years to come.

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:31 AM   #34
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Cool Response to Auto Bailout, As CEO's Fly Private Jets to DC | NBC Bay Area

Interesting view in the comments, EVEN IF THEIR CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK:

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DONT BAIL OUT ANYONE DOIN G BAD BUSINESS.THATS JUST MORE OF THE SAME WITH THE SAME RESULTS PENDING.INSTEAD COME UP WITH BUSINESS PLANS/SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS.FOR INSTANCE GM COULD BUY OUT TESLA.GET LISCENSING TO BUILD THE LOTUS BODY HERE IN THE STATES.GET TESLA'S PROPOSED SEDAN LINE UP AND RUNNING AND THEY WOULD HAVE WHAT WE WANT AND NEED A PREMIER GREEN LINE.NOW FOR THIS TO WORK GM WOULD HAVE TO KEEP THE CEO AND ENGINEERING STAFF OF TESLA AND KEEP THEM FROM BEING INFLUENCED BY GM'S CORPORATE LINE(NO BAD HABITS OR TRAINS OF THOUGHT INJECTED).THIS PLAN WOULD SAVE GM AND IS WORKABLE DUE TO THE CREDIT CRUNCH AFFECTING TESLA'S ABILITY TO GET FINANCING FOR PRODUCTION FACILITIES TO MAKE MASS PRODUCTION POSSIBLE.THIS WOULD BE A NON ISSUE FOR GM.TESLA GETS FACILITIES AND AID IN MASS PROD GM GETS A PREMIER GREEN TECH LINE AND THE PEOPLE GET THE CARS THEY NEED AND WANT AT A RESONABLE COST.

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I wonder how long it would take for little Tesla to grow to have the capabilities of a major car manufacturer given enough operating cash? GM has something like 1000x more employees than Tesla right now.
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