SSC Ultimate Aero EV- 6 years without a charge.....??? - Page 4

dpeilow · 01-22-2009, 01:26 AM

Shelby SuperCars announces worlds fastest electric production car - Examiner.com

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Shelby SuperCars announces worlds fastest electric production car

Not content to just make the world's fastest production car, Shelby SuperCars announced today that they plan on expanding that platform to include the world's fastest electric production car too. Something they are calling the Ultimate Aero EV.They've stated that the Ultimate Aero EV will charge up in 10 minutes off a standard 110v outlet, and then run for 200 miles off that one charge. That's quite an improvement from what Tesla or Fisker has been capable of. And that's not even the best part.

WTF?

Shelby SuperCars announces worlds fastest electric production car

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SSC Announces Green Technologies Revealing Revolutionary Battery and Electric Powertrain Technology

West Richland, WA (01/19/09)

Shelby SuperCars (SSC) released the details today of the revolutionary electric vehicle technology to be unveiled in the second quarter of this year. SSC will reveal its innovative all-electric powertrain in the current Ultimate Aero, the Guinness Certified “Fastest Production Car in the World,” to create the Ultimate Aero EV and will reinforce the company as a benchmark in the auto industry. But unlike other auto manufacturers, SSC’s new technology will set a new standard in the electric car industry – one of 10 minute recharges, super horsepower and ranges of up to 200 miles per charge.

While other auto manufacturers focus on producing Green technology for specific cars, SSC’s focus is on producing Green technologies for a wide range of applications for an even wider range of vehicles. SSC’s electric powertrain package, named AESP (All-Electric Scalable Powertrain) is unique due to its scalable horsepower, light weight, compact size, quick recharge time and liquid cooling.

SSC’s Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for 10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes and continue on. Some other EV technologies necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of “commuter electric cars” and are not practical alternatives to gas combustion automobiles.

The AESP’s main feature is its scalability. The all-electric SUV or delivery truck is now a reality in the not-so-distant future. The AESP is scalable from 200 horsepower for economy and midsize cars, to 500 horsepower for light trucks and SUVs, and up to 1200 horsepower for delivery trucks, heavy duty equipment, buses and military vehicles. The revolutionary design proves electric-powered vehicles not only match, but also provide more linear power (electric motors have 100% torque at 0 RPM) and overall performance than internal combustion vehicles.

• All-electric. No gasoline.
• Light weight. Just a fraction of the weight of a standard combustion engine (<200lbs.)
• Extended performance. Internal cooling systems are built into the motors.
• Compact size. 1/18 the space of a standard engine; significant increase in cargo room.
• Scalable horsepower. From 200 horsepower (one motor) to 1200 horsepower (two motors “piggy backed”).
• Quick recharges. Only 10 minutes on standard 110 outlet.

The current AESP was designed to meet the manufacturing and quality requirements of major automotive manufacturers, transportation operators and the military. SSC will wholesale the AESP to mass production car companies, governments, and to public, private, and niche businesses. Costs for mass-produced units are $5K-$6K per unit for 1000 to 10,000 units (with further reduction in unit cost for increased production.) SSC’s next milestone will be the pursuit of the “World’s Fastest Electric Car” with the Ultimate Aero EV later this year.

stopcrazypp · 01-22-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dpeilow

Shelby SuperCars announces worlds fastest electric production car - Examiner.com

WTF?

Shelby SuperCars announces worlds fastest electric production car

Double post, but anyways, Jalopnik featured this also and many commenters questioned that sentence.

Ultimate Aero EV: SSC Plans To Build World's Fastest Electric Production Car

It sounds to me that either the people writing these press releases know nothing at all about electricity (both press releases they have nonsense written in it) or the people working on it have no clue also.

TEG · 01-22-2009, 01:54 AM

That makes no sense.

I can see 10 minute charge off of industrial strength high voltage commercial power connection, but no way you get anything meaningful from a "standard 110v outlet" in 10 minutes. Is this some kind of bad joke? They aren't even in the ballpark with this.

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SSC’s Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge.

Our initial concerns are confirmed - their PR claims to ignore the laws of physics.

I am trying to think out of the box and imagine what they might be talking about, but nothing comes to mind. Are they using a 0.2kWh micro-pack that can power them 200 miles? Absurd. Are they planning to draw 3000 amps from the 110v plug to recharge a 55kWh pack in 10 minutes? Absurd.

dpeilow · 01-22-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TEG

Our initial concerns are confirmed - their PR claims to ignore the laws of physics.

I am trying to think out of the box and imagine what they might be talking about, but nothing comes to mind. Are they using a 0.2kWh micro-pack that can power them 200 miles? Absurd. Are they planning to draw 3000 amps from the 110v plug to recharge a 55kWh pack in 10 minutes? Absurd.

Maybe one of their employees frequented this board?

Shelby announces world's fastest electric car | Crave - CNET

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In conjunction with the release of its 2009 Ultimate Aero at the Abu Dhabi International Motor Show, Shelby SuperCars announced details of an electric version of this same car, due to be launched in the second half of this year. We hope the oil barons of Abu Dhabi took the news graciously, as Shelby's move seems kind of like walking into a convention of cigarette makers and announcing a cure for tobacco addiction. But maybe they merely smiled at the fairly outlandish-sounding claims by Shelby SuperCars

I think I see what is going on here...

I noticed that Mr Siry is already on the charge time case at Jalopnik.

I wonder if there is also a problem with the motor specs? Afterall, as we worked out in the Electric Planes thread, that kind of horsepower doesn't come lightweight. If we take Tesla's kW/kg as a starting point, Shelby's motor would have to be in the 200kg range - and even heavier if they want to sustain higher power outputs and higher top speeds. Are they going to fit TGV train motors to enable this thing to keep a constant 200mph on the autobahn?

graham · 01-22-2009, 07:15 PM

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Are they going to fit TGV train motors to enable this thing to keep a constant 200mph on the autobahn?

Well, that was Allusion's plan

The first we hear of the SSC, it was going to charge once for 6 years. Now that is charge for 10 minutes to go 200 miles. Did they change their mind about the first? Or possibly they intend you to charge for 10 minutes, and then only drive 33 miles a year for 6 years?

I am not so sure about these press releases...

TEG · 01-22-2009, 07:49 PM

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...SSC’s Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet...

OK, wait - they didn't actually say 110V (although sites paraphrasing their story did). Perhaps they meant standard 110kV outlet...
(e.g.: recharge at the power substation only)

TEG · 01-22-2009, 07:56 PM

Take your pick... Charge in 40 hours here:

Or 10 minutes here (but who will let you plug in?):

TEG · 01-22-2009, 08:27 PM

Some may notice that they have reworded their online copy of the original press release.
"Not require a charge for six years" claim has been removed/changed.
Also it seems 500hp is now standard, and they are "exploring" the twin 500...
I think they need a disclaimer "napkin ideas for now - specs subjects to major revision"

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0-60mag.com Blog Archive Kilowatt Crazy

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The drive train under development will not require a charge for six years and will power two 500 horsepower electric motors producing 1000 horsepower and providing supercar performance.

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Shelby SuperCars - SSC - Exotic Luxury SuperCars

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The drive train under development will feature a revolutionary power source allowing for extended time between charging intervals with the possibility of several years between charging. Powered by a 500 horsepower electric motor, the Ultimate Aero EV will have true supercar performance. Additionally, SSC is exploring the potential of a twin 500 horsepower electric power plant producing 1,000 horsepower in a 2 or 4 wheel drive configuration.

James · 01-22-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TEG

Our initial concerns are confirmed - their PR claims to ignore the laws of physics.

I am trying to think out of the box and imagine what they might be talking about, but nothing comes to mind. Are they using a 0.2kWh micro-pack that can power them 200 miles? Absurd. Are they planning to draw 3000 amps from the 110v plug to recharge a 55kWh pack in 10 minutes? Absurd.

How about this idea.... thinking outside the box here....

The car actually has 100 plug-in ports scattered around the vehicle.
The car owner is supposed to own 100 very long extension cords. Then you run around to every 110 volt 20 amp outlet in the house and for all of your neighbors. Run all of those 100 extension cords to your garage where your EV is waiting. Then plug in all 100 extension cords to the vehicle.

It takes about 30 minutes to plug-in the vehicle, but the charge only takes 10 minutes.

Maybe if all of the plugs are 240 volt 30 amp outlets equivalent to your average household dryer, it might work.

Anyone want to do the math?

TEG · 01-22-2009, 09:03 PM

Yeah, James, I actually thought about that one too...

You can get about 1300watts per outlet.
To charge a 50kWh pack in 10 minutes you need 300,000watts.
So 230 extension cords, give or take...

But I think you would probably blow out some transformers in the neighborhood doing that.